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Jun 12 2016

ISIS Terror Attack in Orlando Could Deepen Fault Lines

A Muslim born in the USA of Afghan parents who had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State killed at least 50 people in a terror attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando last night.

Since firearms were used, the Democrat Party and its subsidiary, the mainstream media, will blame the Second Amendment — never mind that the killer worked for a security firm and might have had access to firearms even if we didn’t — and use the bloodshed as a pretext to render us more defenseless against future attacks. But no amount of spin will prevent reasonable people from placing the blame where it belongs: on Islam.

Although the devoted Islamophiles Obama and Hillary refuse to even speak the words “Islamic terror” and would much rather ascribe the atrocity to political incorrectness or the right to bear arms, there is no denying what we are dealing with. From the liberal Washington Post:

The gunman, identified as 29-year-old Omar Mateen, apparently made a 911 call before the attack identifying himself and pledging allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State, according to U.S. law enforcement officials who asked not to be identified to discuss the ongoing investigation.

Mateen also made a reference to the 2013 bombing of the Boston Marathon during this call, officials said. Mateen was investigated by the FBI in 2014, but what triggered the probe and its scope were not immediately clear, officials said. The probe was closed the same year.

The Islamic State has taken credit for the attack, the largest mass shooting in US history. ISIS does not share the currently fashionable affection for homosexuals:

According to human rights groups and media reports, the Islamic State has repeatedly executed gay people and then released videos showing these gruesome executions.

Now they can indulge in these activities on American soil, with help from a quisling government that goes out of its way to import massive numbers of colonists from dysfunctional terrorist breeding grounds.


Ron Hopper of the FBI, the bureau leading the investigation, said Sunday they were still working to determine a motive.

Let’s provide Hopper with his very first clue. A Muslim cleric right there in the Orlando area calls for killing homosexuals on behalf of Islam:

But of course everyone knows the central motive, even the FBI. However, the Democrats in charge will go to any length of self-parody to prevent Islam from being cast in a negative light, just as they will go to any length of self-parody to extol and promote homosexuality. The obvious conflict will create ever deeper fault lines as large-scale Muslim immigration gives rise to more incidents like the massacre at Pulse.

Unsurprisingly, Omar Mateen was a registered Democrat, a trait he likely had in common with the vast majority of his victims.

The refusal of Democrat leaders to address or even acknowledge the danger posed by Islam is deepening a rift in America in general, playing into the hands of pandering demagogues like Donald Trump. If only we had responsible leadership, we wouldn’t be left to choose between the fools who effectively side with the terrorists and those who shout that no Muslims at all should be allowed into the country, a policy that stands no chance of being implemented and would not be suggested by someone serious about addressing the threat.

Omar Mateen, narcissistic maniac.

On tips from Varla, Stormfax, JusttheTipHQ, R F, J, Rob E, Bodhisattva, F S, J, and Torcer.

120 Responses to “ISIS Terror Attack in Orlando Could Deepen Fault Lines”

  1. StephaneDumas says:

    The blog VoxPopuli maintened by VoxDay posted a good rant about this. One poster of the blog, BGLB posted this Youtube link.

  2. Torcer says:

    ‘Pulse’ terrorist attack suspect was a registered DEMOCRAT!!

    GOV’T FAIL!! Terrorist shooter Omar Mateen had been INVESTIGATED by the FBI TWICE!!

    BREAKING! Orlando terrorist PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE to ISIS during attack, yelled “ALLAH AKBAR!”

  3. Torcer says:

    Guess which former Obama administration official wasted no time in politicizing the

    Communist NYC Mayor De Blasio Immediately Blames ‘Gun’ for Orlando Islamic Terrorism via @thepolitistick

  4. MicahStone says:

    1. Promotes LGBTQFXYZ perversions
    2. Promotes anti-LGBTQFXYZ muslim islamofascism
    3. => an Alinsky disruption of society.

    Let’s call this one: “Fast and Furious II”

  5. MicahStone says:

    The OBOZO “fundamental transformation” is progressing….

  6. rex freeway says:


  7. rex freeway says:

    the talk

  8. rex freeway says:

    what a joke

  9. rex freeway says:

    Obamas nightmare

  10. Donna M says:

    Like who “didn’t” see “this”, coming…
    Great job!!!
    Who knew your Islamic transformation and gender social “reengineering”, would be soooo… successfull!!!
    …and Muslims are entering this country, over a 100-250+ a day!!!
    It won’t be long now, before the rest of us are in trouble, huh!
    Where’s all the oppressed, “Christian” refugees?
    Oh, lemme guess…
    The Muslims nazis coming here, exterminated them, stole their property and are now asking for sanctuary status…
    Yessureee, perfect, prog-left logic!

  11. Saxon Warrior says:

    Hi faggots, will you now stop your gripe with Christians and turn your hatred towards Islam, or will you continue on your path of blind stupidity?

    Mmm…. no guesses as to which of the above they will choose.

  12. Donna M says:

    I knew as soon as I heard there was a “mass” shooting in that population…
    …and the news media, didn’t immediately, identify the shooter.
    Absolutely knew “it” was Muslim!
    Looks like criminals are gettin’ a pass these days, after being investigated by the FBI!

  13. MicahStone says:

    A prediction:

  14. 762x51 says:

    Obama sees this as an opportunity to advance his Progressive agenda on gun control, not as a nightmare. That is the true purpose of “gun free zones”, to provide a target rich environment for psychos to attack and murder innocent people, thereby giving Progressives an excuse to advance their agenda. This is being done to you on purpose by an enemy who doesn’t care about your life at all, but desperately wants to control it. What could go wrong?

  15. 762x51 says:

    I call it Civil War II.

  16. 762x51 says:

    “You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.” – Rahm Emanuel

    ISIS has already claimed credit for the attack. President JV won’t acknowledge that though. Instead he will TRY to punish all American gun owners for the actions of a foreign terrorist organization and a local maniac.

    Imagine if just one or two concealed carry gun owners were in that club. How much lower would the body count be? Just like the Aurora, CO movie theater attack. One person returning fire would have changed to outcome entirely.

  17. Torcer says:

    Reports have that the club was a “gun free” zone.

    And oddly enough that didn’t stop the Islamic Terrorist bent on murder…

  18. Donna M says:

    Guess prog-leftists are caught in their “proverbial” circular reasoning feedback, loop!!!
    Now, it’s “the” gun’s fault!
    Ya’ know, they elevate pure “BULL$#IT”, to a form if high art, “crap”!
    Even if “art” is crap, it’s still hold’s a revenant place of honor!
    Even more so, when they speak it!

  19. Torcer says:

    INSANE: Liberal ThinkProgress Literally Says A GUN “Committed” the Terror Attack in Orlando
    Huge if true: Think Progress reports that a gun became sentient, stormed a nightclub, and killed 50 people all by itself.
    Folks, they are simply, absolutely, totally out of their ever-loving minds. This is the dumbest possible thing.

    A gun cannot commit a crime. This is a fact of science and law. A person commits a crime. In this case, we even know the name of the person. And we even know what he himself declared as his reason for committing the crime. The gun did not make any claims. The gun did not swear allegiance to anyone. The gun does not have a birth certificate. It does not have parents from Afghanistan.

    The gun is not a person. The gun has no religion. Oh wait, NOW I see why they are saying that. Both gays and Muslims are on the liberal list of aggrieved persons who must be used for votes. Liberals can’t pick sides between them.

    So they say the most absurd thing ever. That an inanimate object committed a crime. I mean, they don’t suggest it, I’m not rephrasing it. They literally say the gun did it.

  20. Donna M says:

    Hey Wormwood!
    Unlike your fawning, constituents and ignorant supporters…

  21. calmly_observing says:

    I think you just gave people more reason to distrust you and other Christians.

  22. calmly_observing says:

    Hillary is already using gun control language. I cannot image how much worse things will be with her in the WH and a SCOTUS stacked so she can weaken the 2A.

  23. Cameraman says:

    What a Problem for Oblowme..Say it was a Islamic Terrorist or have pity on his Gay Supporters..What does he Do?

  24. marcus tullius cicero says:

    …good idea…

  25. Donna M says:

    Oh NOOOOO..!
    This is a banquet, served up by the Wormwood and the beast!!!
    It’s actually, their fault!!!
    Stuck on stupid, with absolutely no lateral thinking!
    Straight on, into oblivion!
    Well, they more than delivered!
    This is the worst “TIMING FOR THE PROG-LEFT”!
    Both the Wormwood and the beast are sooo…”DIZZY!”, trying to spin this…that,
    next, they’ll, somehow, blame the conservatives for this shooter’s, raging rampage…!
    …and wondering why “they” weren’t the ones killed by the gunman!
    Like in the EMBECILIC, prog-left thinking…
    The shooter, shot the “wrong” guys…and gals!

  26. Kevin R. says:

    Any gays reading this: I hope you arm yourselves. Get proactive. Fifty people got murdered because they didn’t have guns. Don’t let that happen to you.

    This is crazy. Every single solitary adult in the country should have a gun and know how to use it. That’s the responsible thing to do. Those islamofascists are at war against all of us but they really really hate you gays. Get guns and defend yourselves.

  27. rex freeway says:

    Hey Obama, you mentioned every high profile shooting since you have been in the White house. Then you ask “is this the kind of world we want to live in”. Well you dumb fuck, if there weren’t gun free zones everywhere, law abiding citizens could protect themselves. Your Homeland security is a joke and you are to. Stop protecting a terror organization and call out the Muslim faith for what it is. You know that for the rest of your life you will be protected by men with guns. How dare you suggest that we go unprotected. Worst president ever.

  28. Jack says:

    When was the last time a bible-clinging gun owning Christian walked into a homosexual venue and killed scores of people? Yet some are saying White Christians are just as bad as the Muslims when it comes to ideology. I say BS, The Comrade in Chief cannot use Islamic an terrorism in the same sentence, but he can bash America fo its past.

  29. Eddie_Valiant says:

    The day when the 2nd Amendment is used for its intended purpose is drawing near.

    There was a report on Fox that some bacon hater was on his way to shoot up a gay pride parade in Los Angeles this morning. He was stopped before he could do anything.

    The Orlando atrocity is not the last. There will be more. Nightclubs are almost always gun-free zones in most states, and taking out dozens of homosexuals is what ISIS wants.

    Time is here to stop this madness and the guns won’t be turned on only muzzies.

  30. George Lortz says:

    There is a gay, pro-gun group known as the Pink Pistols. Maybe this tragedy will get more of their compatriots to join and get educated.

  31. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Drudge’s headline says it all

  32. George Lortz says:

    By Florida law, you cannot carry in any business that serves alcohol. Never mind my mantra of ‘if it’s concealed, how will they know ?’

  33. Saxon Warrior says:

    I think you’ve just shown that you are a clueless buffoon.

    I have a question for you – who was responsible for the Orlando terrorist attack, was it a Christian or a Muslim?
    I’ll give you a clue – it belongs with the letter ‘M’.

    People like you really are idiots. Muslims murder homosexuals every day, Christians don’t, yet you believe that my comment gives people more reason to distrust Christians.
    Truth stares you in the face and you don’t get it. You really are stupid.

    How about saying “actions like Muslim terrorists killing gays gives people more reason to distrust Muslims”? That’s what anybody with Common Sense and half a brain would say.

  34. Kevin R. says:

    The families of the victims of lunatics that use gun free zones should sue the owners for making a condition of entry to their establishments that you deny yourself a constitutional right to bear arms for your self defense and then not provide adequate reasonable measures to provide protection of their establishments.

    Hey lawyers out there, there’s a gold mine to be had suing these gun free zone establishments.

  35. Tadpole says:

    Yes, it’s all about guns.

    If only America had the same strict anti-gun laws like they do in France and Belgium – this sort of massacre could never happen there!

  36. Tadpole says:

    You will never convince these folks:

  37. calmly_observing says:

    Yeah. You are so righteous. Your post offered plenty to create a negative reaction about homosexuals.

    And your hypersensitivity shown in your response with over the top emotion proves the intent of your original post.

    I stand by my original post thanks to your further corroborating my suspicions. You have a deep seated hatred for your fellow man, bizarrely rationalized by a false interpretation of Christianity. No one in my church would approve of you.

  38. stop anti gay islam says:

    this wins election for trump and tears democratic coalition apart. trump should demand all mentions of putting gay people to death in koran be expunged and mike it a crime to preach killing gays and no muslims alowed incountery if they believe in islam killing gays.

  39. Figbash says:

    Anyone read day of wrath by Forschen?

  40. KHarn says:

    So you APPROVE of muslims killing gays.

    I know you fools consider Christians “the near enemy” and muslims “the far enemy” (I’ve heard many of you say that) but this and MANY OTHER incidents prove that the “far” enemy is HERE. You can’t ignore them any longer.

  41. KHarn says:

    When I didn’t hear the identity of the killer reported, I thought “muslim or negro”.

  42. KHarn says:

    If just HALF of the targets had thrown glasses and stuff at the SOB, they would have had a chance to over-powered him.

    I’d rather read that news header:
    “Would-Be Jihadi Beaten By Gay Night Club Patrons”.

    Aloha snack bar, goat fucker!

  43. calmly_observing says:

    I’m a Christian. Clearly if you are and the original poster is, you are unrealistically judgemental and self-righteous. Are you accepting of the original post as loving in the Christian sense?

  44. 762x51 says:

    These days, it is important to remember that laws no longer serve the public good as demonstrated here. They have become Rules Of Engagement constructed and put into place by an enemy that seeks to dominate your every breath.

    You cannot win a war by adhering to RoE established by the enemy.

  45. Karma's Janitor says:

    LMAO they think if they pass more laws people will obey them

  46. 762x51 says:

    Weird, huh? It’s almost as if the Islamic spree killers don’t care about the law. Maybe we need a law making it illegal to disobey the law. Then we can pass a law making it illegal to break the law that makes it illegal to break the law.

    That’ll stop ’em.

  47. Karma's Janitor says:

    yea I agree, I think was thinking Florida is a sure think now
    Sadly there will be more of this in the next few months

  48. 762x51 says:

    Yep, you are exactly what is passing for a “Christian” these days.

    Tell you what, you go ahead and spread the other cheek for the enemy. I’ll cover you in case it doesn’t work out.

  49. snowsnake says:

    I have to wonder when Obama meets with Arab leaders and American
    Muslims and the radical SOB’s from the
    Black community in this country and the rabid Democrat leaders
    of the house and senate just what he says.

    There can no way be conversations going on that would be
    patriotic having to do with what is good for America
    and what is good for all American citizens. I bet that the gist
    of those conversations is scheming and plotting of
    a nature that would make a vulture puke. They have to be
    talking about power, and plunder, and what is good for
    Muslims and Blacks and how can they prolong the raid on the
    treasury, and how can they somehow diminish the power
    of America in the world at the same time they cut off bigger and
    bigger chunks to benefit themselves and their cronies.

    History is replete with examples of this. These bastards always
    over estimate how much time they have and are always still
    in the midst of plundering and grabbing when the bell tolls and
    damn near everybody dies–especially them. I probably won’t
    be around to see it. But knowing it is coming and that they
    will die in agony and misery as it falls down around them does
    provide a little pleasure. Of course, not knowing what will
    replace what we have now and how long it will be or if it will ever be
    that a decent thing will replace this country is not to be
    What we have now is going down the shit chute and nothing can
    stop its descent. Maybe something can slow the velocity, but
    that is certainly not Hillary and probably not Trump. Electing Hillary would be
    like attaching a Nato rocket boost to the country in its descent down the shit
    chute. After electing Hillary, I doubt we would ever have another election.

    There is some evidence that we might be in for a long cold spell maybe even a
    mini iceage that is a consequence of natural cycles and that there could be terrible
    food shortages. What is interesting is that this could happen just as the whole
    political/economic system of the world collapses and everybody turns on each
    other like rabid wolves until nobody even knows who the enemy is in their own
    country much less in other countries. A sort of great cleansing and purge!

    In such a world anything could happen. There is room for an
    Anti Christ. There is room for just about anything. The use of atomic bombs,
    invasions, plagues (biological warfare and poison gas) most of the stuff in the
    Book Of Revelations could be going on with emptying of the vials and the riding of the Four Horsemen and few would even notice.
    For all Iwe know Hillary is the Anti Christ. Or maybe Obama. Or maybe Obama is the Witness. These things don’t come with labels. All I know is that it ain’t
    looking good! And we shouldn’t celebrate. I have the same queasy feeling I
    imagine an intelligent and comprehending Jew must have had when he first saw thousands of Nazis saluting Hitler in the Reichstag and screaming, “Sig Heil, Sig

  50. Donna M says:

    Couldn’t agree more!

  51. Johnny Monday says:

    Drumpf’s platitudes will do nothing to make the country safer.

  52. maudieNmandeville says:

    Trending at #Hillary4America: “It may have been a muslim who massacred all of those people but it’s traditional Christian bakers who refuse to bake them a wedding cake! Vote against haters!!”

  53. Torcer says:

    Yes, what we really need is a law that makes it illegal to break the law.

  54. Torcer says:

    Yes, and such laws only disarm the innocent.

  55. calmly_observing says:

    Don’t ignorantly jump in on one post in a series unless you are just another troll like the other person. This all started because of the original post posing as Christian but showing little of what Jesus asks of us.

    There is a reason why Christianity is shrinking in this country, and this thread demonstrates one of the primary contributors.

  56. JoeCasepack says:

    He’s no Christian.

  57. rex freeway says:

    His favorite minority was attacked by his favorite religion. He will most likely ignore that fact but everyone else wont.

  58. yourfavoriteunkle says:

    DOJ to file suit against Remington in 3… 2… 1…

  59. calmly_observing says:

    You should follow the others who replied to me in this thread. No effort to follow Jesus’ words if you ask me. Or not really Christians. More like angry peoplevhiding behind a facade.

  60. pogeybait says:

    Well at least our current crop of Democrat leaders will keep us safe in our comfort zones by controlling our reality and protecting us from traumatic memories. We just need to evolve just like those European countries where only government and terrorists have guns, so let’s continue to believe and question nothing. Is that so much to ask?

  61. Torcer says:

    But you don’t want to make them mad, they might go and kill people… Oh wait..

  62. Torcer says:

    Those evil guns make innocent Muslim terrorists kill people after all..

  63. JoeK says:

    Isn’t “pogeybait” military for “junk food”?!!

  64. JoeK says:

    Wow!! An actually humorous comment from you that doesn’t take up 92% of the bandwidth on the site!! Nice! Well done, ma’am!!

  65. JoeK says:

    “spread”!! Nice!!

  66. yourfavoriteunkle says:

    I thought is was climate change or whatever the hell it’s called this week.

  67. JoeK says:

    A lot of Christians, of which I am one, get their asses killed because of their naivety! Washing the feet and the feeding of a people who are supposed to be in the same spot that man was created, the cradle of civilization, and 10,000 years later, they’re still fucking backwards enough to kill the ones trying to help them become better!! Kinda like the last Rambo movie 5 or so years ago! He had to save all of those missionaries whom he had told not to go into that area. Not a good use of resources!!

  68. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I swear to never stop a Fellow Muslim from killing Americans……

  69. Mr. Freemarket says:

    A couple of thoughts:
    1. Saxon Warrior’s term for homosexuals was offensive. No one likes to be called by derogatorily terms.
    2. People have been calling each other by offensive terms since the beginning of time. We shouldn’t, but we often do. That’s one of the main features of Christianity; the recognition that people will fall short of what God expects of them, and God’s plan for them to be saved anyway.
    3. If you think that your problem is with Christians, you are missing the point. You are pointing to a pothole in the road that needs to be filled while the bridge is out and people are driving off the road into the abyss. Should we fix the pothole? Sure. But warning others about the bridge being out makes the pothole an insignificant issue. We can whine and complain about the pothole and work on fixing it after the bridge is taken care of.

  70. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Take away the guns from Muslim Jihadists, and they will use knives (and explosives) instead.

  71. Mr. Freemarket says:

    My assault rifles sit quietly down in the basement, terrorizing no one.

    However, just last week I had a couple of 30 round magazines put on their tennis shoes and terrorize a couple of old ladies down the street. Those magazines should be banned.

  72. Mr. Freemarket says:

    When a private property owner posts a sign that says “No weapons allowed,” he is taking over responsibility for the safety of those in his place of business.

  73. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Unfortunately liberals of any stripe seem to be really slow learners.

    FWIW, when blacks were under attack by the KKK, it wasn’t the justice department that stopped them.

  74. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Lemme see….should I be more concerned over one group of people who don’t want to celebrate my “wedding” or another group that wants to kill me.

    That’s a toughie.

  75. Tadpole says:

    ” … with help from a quisling government that goes out of its way to import massive numbers of colonists from dysfunctional terrorist breeding grounds.”

    What a pity Trump got in the way of a GOPe regular contender, eh Dave, like Romney. He would fix this wouldn’t he:

  76. calmly_observing says:

    3. My problem is only with faux-Christians and others who are hypocrites. Not sure which apply to the people who replied to this thread. But one thing is for certain, the words in their posts do not aspire to the teachings.

    If you read my posts, I never called out the hyper-emotional post for anything more than being unconvincing to homosexuals and how Christians are “better” than Muslims. Then the real emotions started to spill out from other posters. Using Christianity to mask their hatred of other people.

  77. Saxon Warrior says:

    Mmm… you still don’t get it do you? I’ll say it again but in simple baby words with baby spelling because you’re obviously not too bright.


    Can I shout it any louder than that inside your empty head? I’ve met some dunces in my time, but you really are the prince of dunces!!

  78. Saxon Warrior says:

    Spread the other cheek…. amusing.
    I expect he’ll bend over and spread both cheeks.

  79. Saxon Warrior says:

    Okay, fair enough… so you admit that you are pro-gay even though homosexuality is an abomination?
    By the way Christians are better than Muslims because we don’t murder or persecute gays – however gays persecute us by suing us because we refuse to bake their cakes but they daren’t whisper a word to Muslims.
    Just a thought.

  80. Donna M says:

    Your killing me, Free-M!
    Couldn’t come agree more!

  81. toheckwithyou says:

    ” those who shout that no Muslims at all should be allowed into the country”
    There you go with lies again, Dave. Your democrat masters must be very proud of you.

  82. toheckwithyou says:

    No. Enlighten us

  83. 762x51 says:

    I’ll jump in anywhere I like and disagreeing with you does not equal ignorance any more than Christianity equals victimhood.

    Christianity is shrinking because evil is on the rise. Evil is on the rise because simpering morons have convinced themselves that being a coward is what Jesus taught. You go on ignorantly believing that God put you here to be a victim and casually observe as evil spreads across the world. Read your Bible daily and go to church three times a week and stand idly by as humanity is enslaved by the darkness.

    Meanwhile, real Christians, who are not afraid to fight evil will be performing their Christian duty and driving evil back into the darkness in the only way possible, by force of arms.

  84. 762x51 says:

    And now that evil has spread ac cross the world as demonstrated in Orlando Sat. night. Gay or not, murdering 50 unarmed people is evil. Obama is an evil man who has allowed evil to grow and spread. Islam is clearly as great an-evil as Naziism was in the 20th century. These imbeciles who preach love against evil are fools. The Jews are Gods chosen while Christians are Christ’s chosen people. Both are being slaughtered in massive numbers for being those people. Now who do we know is all about that kind of activity? Was it Satan?

  85. Tom says:

    For someone who is calling for executing gay people, he sure seems rather…soft spoken, almost lisp-y.
    I guess I just don’t get the distinctions of islam…I recently re-read the outstanding novel by James Michener, “Caravans”. It’s set in 1940’s Afghanistan, told through the voice of a young American Embassy staffer in Kabul. In this novel, Michener describes a troupe of roving “entertainers” consisting of young boys dressed in the finest silks and doing fanciful, vibrant, and risque’ dancing performances for the crowds of men in the town square…only men, shouting lustily at these effeminate boys and apparently – for the ones with money to pay – having sex with these young troubadours afterward. This was accepted as no big deal in the Islamic Afghanistan of the 1940’s, and as Michener makes clear in his many references to the antiquity of Afghanistan, for centuries? millennia? before. . .

    How can they be SO “Let’s kill all the gays!”, while men raping boys and keeping them as concubines is a long-standing cultural norm in Afghanistan and throughout the Arabic Muslim world? Remember the Marine who was almost drummed out because he slugged an Afghan Army officer who was doing the same things, i.e. grooming, raping, and “keeping” young boys?

    It’s a repugnant and vile hypocrisy. All the more reason to keep people whose cultures are SO depraved and SO in conflict with our Western values…OUT.

  86. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Your problem, and the problem, however, isn’t with hypocrites. Your problem is and should be with those who, rather than speak venomous words, are actually killing people.

    It is like the difference between those who lust after women, paging through the photos when the Playboy Magazine arrives versus those who actually molest and rape women. Yes, the first group is repulsive and are not acting in any “Christian” way towards women; the second are engaging in criminal assault.

    Yes, the thought precedes the act, but we are at war and we need to prioritize who is the actual enemy.

    Of course Christ himself offered the best insight into who is and is not a Christian. If we keep his commandments and follow him, we can claim to be a Christian. If not, well, we aren’t.

  87. calmly_observing says:

    Of course I am apalled and outraged and sickened by anyone who kills another for any reason but self defense. But this thread was all about a post of self-righteous indignation about a group that the poster clearly felt no Christian love for, although they wrapped their comments in Christianity.

  88. calmly_observing says:

    Christianity is shrinking NOT because evil is on the rise but because Christians are proving to be less accepting and loving than what is needed to convert. The original post in this thread proves my point.

  89. calmly_observing says:

    I’m not “pro-gay” in any political or religious sense. I follow my belief in Christ. I may condemn the sins, but I do not outwardly disparage and entire group of fellow sons of God for their sins. That is not very Godly. So to wrap it in Christianity is bad and should be called out.

  90. calmly_observing says:

    Just because you have equal disdain for the entire lot of gays BUT would not break the commandment and kill them doesn’t make you righteous. Get it? Baby words enough for you?

  91. […] noted earlier, Omar Mateen worked for a security firm. He likely would have access to firearms even if […]

  92. Mr. Freemarket says:

    It is important to make the distinction between “Christians” and “Christianity.” The poster that offended you was defending Christians, not Christianity. He could have just as easily have said “White Europeans.”

    Christianity is a philosophy, a way of life. It may or may not be embraced by Christians. After all, Christians were also the folks conducting the inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials. And, for example, Donald Trump claims to be a Christian while embracing almost none of the basic teachings of Christianity.

    Christianity doesn’t support killing homosexuals. Islam does. Embrace the facts.

  93. […] noted earlier, Omar Mateen worked for a security firm. He would have had access to firearms even if progressives […]

  94. calmly_observing says:

    “Christianity doesn’t support killing homosexuals. Islam does. Embrace the facts.” The contrary to that is not supported by any of my comments. You are just projecting it.

    But you make a good point. Perhaps Saxon Warrior is not at all a Christian but simply supports them for personal reasons. The comment stream still applies. His original post did nothing to persuade. In fact, it perhaps gave reason to be even more dubious about Christians who go too far in their judgement of homosexuality (casting aspersions on the sinner). And the subsequent posts by those more overtly posing as Christians were just as bad. That’s all I am arguing.

  95. […] noted earlier, Omar Mateen worked for a security firm. He would have had access to firearms even if progressives […]

  96. oldguy says:

    I wonder what the world would be like if Todd Beamer and the other brave people who forced that last plane down on 9’11 had failed?

  97. Mr. Freemarket says:

    You want to castigate Christians. Fine. You are not persuaded that they are your “friends.”

    However, continuing to equate Muslims with Christians is both unfair and stupid. You don’t like the fact that homosexuality is considered a sin in Christianity. Well, I didn’t make those rules. Homosexuality, adultery and a whole host of sins are not in keeping with living the Christian life. We are admonished to avoid all such behavior.

    And as long as such sin is still sin, there are some who will support sewing an “A” on the outfit of those who commit adultery and will use derogatory terms to describe those who engage in a variety of other sins.

    Islam is engaged in a world-wide war against non-Muslims. They currently kill homosexuals in some Muslim-controlled countries. I’m not sure if they call homosexuals “faggots” before they throw them off buildings. Perhaps if they don’t, those affected feel better about themselves just before that sudden stop at the bottom of the building.

  98. calmly_observing says:

    There is NO effort to equate. How difficult is it to read the thread built off of Saxon’s original post? MY ONLY POINT is that he was castigating “faggots” to prove Christians are less brutal than Muslims and should be considered more favorable. The tone and emotion in that post, and all the posts that followed did little to persuade anyone who thinks Christians are ______ (fill in the blank with whatever SJW negative you like) against gays.

    My posts HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM. Why are stuck on that? You seem to take my position that we Christians must express love of sinners while condemning a sin as some support for Islam. It is beyond bizarre.

  99. Torcer says:

    Sadly, you haven’t taken advantage of the information provided to you…

  100. Torcer says:

    Mine don’t even do that, they must be defective..

  101. 762x51 says:

    What a load of bilious crap. Anyone who believes that tripe is either looking for an excuse to be a victim or is a coward afraid to face their Christian duty to oppose evil.

    For three hundred years following the crucifixion, Christians were persecuted mercilessly. used as slave labor and were publicly executed as sacrifices to the Emperor. The average human lifespan in those days was ~ 35 years, meaning ten generations of Christians lived and died in slavery. Guess they just did love enough, huh?

    More recently, A group called the Nazis, you have heard of them, had a little party that started in northern but soon inflamed the entire world. Seems we just couldn’t find a way to love ourselves out of that mess, instead, it took millions of us with the most severe weapons humanity has ever wielded to force that evil out of the world for a time.

    Today, Christians are being exterminated wholesale in the Middle East. You gonna tell them they just aren’t showing the Muzrat scum enough love?

    The things I’ve done and the men I’ve killed for God and country were all completely deserving of it for a variety of reasons. Sizing up an enemy immediately and automatically is a skill you learn very quickly because that is what keeps you alive in places where isn’t an easy task. Whether the enemy is the Islamo -Nazi Hajjis or their American cousins the Progressive Fascists, the solution is the same. I don’t judge, that is God’s perogative, I’m just here to arrange the meeting.

    What you propose will be entirely successful, right up to the gas chamber door. Enjoy that “slaves death”, I die free.

  102. 762x51 says:

    Imagine trying to reconcile those two diametrically opposed things in your head, LOL. Maybe it will be the stressor that pushes him over the edge into suicide.

    Hey, I can dream.

  103. 762x51 says:

    How funny, I go into Hooters after training, in full camo BDU’s with my side arm in a drop leg holster. The manager comps me every few times as a thank you for defending this country. I can’t drink alcohol while armed, but that’s OK. Free wings is a good start.

    Sounds like you need some new laws in FL.

  104. calmly_observing says:

    You don’t love yourself out of a Godless regime committed to execute and annihilate. But to conflate those people – who I agree are truly evil – with the billions on the earth that could be and should be converted shows pure ignorance of human nature.

    My point stands. Christianity stagnated within the past 5 or so years, and has actually started shrinking. At a rate GREATER than the growth of the irreligious population. This current Pope isn’t helping. But your militant view proves you are likely not receptive. You seem to blame those who will not convert. You clearly don’t know your history and perhaps don’t know your Bible very well.

    Many Christians proselytize with the understanding that to “repent” has long meant to “change your mind.” The goal of proselytizing, therefore is to change the mind of those who haven’t met or accepted Jesus as savior. Your posts show none of that.

  105. rex freeway says:

    A fervent prayer of mine.

  106. dott says:

    Minor Correction, Eddie, taking out Americans, or the French, or anybody at all that doesn’t agree with them is what ISIS wants.

  107. dott says:

    Probably too dem dark in the place to really see where he was at. Several of the interviewed patrons had to try and guesstimate the shooter’s location by the sound of the shots, and whether they were getting closer or farther away.

    Seems like club venues need to be thinking a lot more about emergency lighting, among other things.

  108. Saxon Warrior says:

    I don’t have disdain for gays, I have disdain for the filthy perverted acts they carry out. The same way that I don’t have disdain for thieves but I don’t like stealing, and the same way that I don’t have disdain for alcoholics but I think being addicted to alcohol is wrong.
    It’s very simple to understand that, but it’s also obvious that you are morally confused so you won’t have a clue what I’m talking about.

  109. JoeK says:

    So NOT voting for Trump is NOT, like giving Hitlery 10 democRATic votes? Is that right? Is that what I’m supposed to believe? Or is it that by not voting for Trump, Hitlery will NOT take the presidency and Our Country the rest of the way to hell? Maybe I should just vote for Hitlery and Bill clinton to prove what an ass-hole Don J. Trump 2016 is?!! That’ll show them fucking Americans that we’ll gett’em next time!! Really???

  110. JoeK says:

    Right on Chief!!

  111. Torcer says:

    Could you do me a favour and spend a little bit of time researching then man you are supporting?

  112. JoeK says:

    That is your of your opinion which you assume, which smells like everybody’s asshole!!

  113. JoeK says:

    You are not a true Christian. You are as selective in your Bible teachings as the muslimes are in their coran. Jesus said “…turn the other cheek…” and “…love all men…” but he also said “…don’t let your asses be slaughtered in my name!” He also said”…turn your sword into a plow…AFTER the BATTLE!”!! Hey chief, the Crusades were “Christians” fighting the complete annihilation of their country(s) from islamic pigs!! Read a history book sometime before you spout off your naive fucking bullshit, Christian!!

    P.S. Specifically, read a book on the Barbary Coast Pirates!! Read that and see how peaceful the muslimes are, because their insane brutality continues to this day, isis ring a bell?

  114. calmly_observing says:

    You come off as less genuine and knowledgeable of Christianity than anyone else in this thread.

  115. JoeK says:

    Right, and you just a dumb-ass in general!

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