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Jun 15 2014

IT Pros Expose Arrogant IRS Lie

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If ever a dog would not hunt, it is the following insolent and preposterous claim by the IRS:

The Internal Revenue Service told Congress Friday it has lost a trove of emails to and from Lois Lerner, a central figure in the agency’s Tea Party controversy, sparking outrage from congressional investigators who have been probing the agency for more than a year.

The IRS said it cannot locate many of Lerner’s emails prior to 2011 because her computer crashed during the summer of that year.

Lerner headed the IRS division that processed applications for tax-exempt status. The IRS acknowledged last year that agents had improperly scrutinized applications for tax-exempt status by Tea Party and other conservative groups.

That is, the IRS acknowledged that it helped Obama betray the public trust by using federal taxation as a weapon to cripple his political opponents. But that acknowledgment is all we are likely to get out of them.

As excuses go, this one lags behind “the dog ate my homework” in terms of believability.

“Today’s admission by the IRS that they cannot produce Lois Lerner’s emails is an outrageous impediment to our investigation,” Hatch said in a statement. “Even more egregious is the fact we are learning about this a full year after our initial request to provide the Committee with any and all documents relating to our investigation.”

Obviously, if the emails were really lost, the IRS would have said so long ago. But of course they were not lost. IT veteran Norman Cillo provides six ways we know the IRS is lying:

• Their email servers almost certainly have built-in exchange mail database redundancy.
• Bad disks are easy to replace.
• All servers use RAID technology, which means they would have to lose more than a single disk to lose the data.
• The server crashing would not destroy the data.
• All email servers in professional organizations use TAPE backups, from which data could be restored.
• Even if Lois Lerner’s PC were vaporized, the emails would still be on the server.

Via iOwnTheWorld.com, IT pros called in to Mark Levin’s radio show, further confirming that the IRS is lying:

The claim that the emails were lost is so infeasible that it probably was not meant to be taken at face value. Essentially what the IRS is saying is not that they lost the emails. They are saying: “We are not giving you the emails, and you can’t make us.”

The most likely reason to take this stance is that the emails directly implicate Obama, providing still more grounds for his immediately removal from office.

Imagine saying to the IRS, “I can’t give you any information on my earnings for last year because my computer crashed.” You would be dragged off in handcuffs. Congress should be doing the same to Obama’s henchmen in the IRS.

Fortunately Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) has a solution to the email problem:

“I have asked NSA Director Rogers to send me all metadata his agency has collected on Lois Lerner’s email accounts for the period which the House sought records,” Stockman said in a press release. “The metadata will establish who Lerner contacted and when, which helps investigators determine the extent of illegal activity by the IRS.”

What poetic justice it would be if the NSA’s domestic spying were actually put to good use, curtailing tyranny instead of advancing it. Obama would have smoke coming out of his ears.

lois-lerner-insolent
Arrogant, insolent, tyrannical liars.

On tips from Mr Mentalo, Wiggins, Stormfax, G. Fox, Bodhisattva, ThisObamaNation, and Bergbikr.




74 Responses to “IT Pros Expose Arrogant IRS Lie”

  1. bigpete says:

    I’m surprised they haven’t sent out Susan Rice on this one yet.

  2. bigpete says:

    I’m surprised they haven’t sent out Susan Rice on this one yet.

  3. EyesWideOpen says:

    Another moronic excuse/lie/cover-up from the same administration that came up with the ridiculous YouTube video excuse/lie/cover-up. If it wasn’t such a tragedy tor this country, their behavior would be comical.

  4. EyesWideOpen says:

    Another stupid excuse/lie/cover-up from the same administration that came up with the ridiculous YouTube video excuse/lie/cover-up. If it wasn’t such a tragedy for this country, their behavior would be comical.

  5. Judges718 says:

    Who will hold them to account?

    The Media?
    The Courts?
    The Justice Department?
    The GOPe Congressional Leadership?

    Face it. These fascist/marxist thugs operate with impunity, and they grow bolder each day they get away with it.

  6. Judges718 says:

    Who will hold them to account?

    The Media?
    The Courts?
    The Justice Department?
    The GOPe Congressional Leadership?

    Face it. These fascist/marxist thugs operate with impunity, and they grow bolder each day they get away with it.

  7. Gunny G Alz says:

    To delete anything on a government mail server, email acct, etc., is a violation of the FOIA. Oh wait, this is the Obama Criminal Cartel…never mind.

  8. Gunny G Alz says:

    To delete anything on a government mail server, email acct, etc., is a violation of the FOIA. Oh wait, this is the Obama Criminal Cartel…never mind.

  9. Mr. Mentalo says:

    Wanna bet the IRS has YOUR information pre-dating 2011?

    It’s getting to where there will be no alternative but to dissolve the government. When it is reformed and the rule of law brought back into play, every single one of these vermin must be thrown in jail for very long stretches of time.

    If they want to do it the HARD way, then I think there are a significant number of us willing to go that road also. Not happy about it, don’t want to, but if they insist…

    (Ashamedly, I will admit to a part of myself that wants to see Lerner and her ilk dragged out by their collars and publicly shackled in stocks. Sure would wipe that smug “I’m such a highly educated progressive” look off their faces in a hurry!)

  10. Mr. Mentalo says:

    Wanna bet the IRS has YOUR information pre-dating 2011?

    It’s getting to where there will be no alternative but to dissolve the government. When it is reformed and the rule of law brought back into play, every single one of these vermin must be thrown in jail for very long stretches of time.

    If they want to do it the HARD way, then I think there are a significant number of us willing to go that road also. Not happy about it, don’t want to, but if they insist…

    (Ashamedly, I will admit to a part of myself that wants to see Lerner and her ilk dragged out by their collars and publicly shackled in stocks. Sure would wipe that smug “I’m such a highly educated progressive” look off their faces in a hurry!)

  11. Mr. Mentalo says:

    We The People will be the final arbiter of this. Woe to them when that happens.

  12. Mr. Mentalo says:

    We The People will be the final arbiter of this. Woe to them when that happens.

  13. Judges718 says:

    That is why the “rule of law” is crucial to any free civilized society. It is in place to avoid such conflict.

    Equality under the law is the very foundation of our Constitutional Republic.

    Obama and his Marxist minions have forsaken the “rule of law” for the rule of despotism.

    Woe indeed.

  14. Judges718 says:

    That is why the “rule of law” is crucial to any free civilized society. It is in place to avoid such conflict.

    Equality under the law is the very foundation of our Constitutional Republic.

    Obama and his Marxist minions have forsaken the “rule of law” for the rule of despotism.

    Woe indeed.

  15. Judges718 says:

    I fear if it comes to a revolution, it will more closely resemble the Rousseauian model, rather than our original Jeffersonian one.

    I pray we can restore our Constitution before revolution becomes the unavoidable imperative

  16. Judges718 says:

    I fear if it comes to a revolution, it will more closely resemble the Rousseauian model, rather than our original Jeffersonian one.

    I pray we can restore our Constitution before revolution becomes the unavoidable imperative

  17. Queef Odorman says:

    I picture a second Amercan Revolution which results in about 90% of current politicians and bureaucrats either swinging from a tree or exiled to Venezuela AND THE CONSTITUTION RESTORED.

  18. Taters...mmhmmm says:

    I picture a second Amercan Revolution which results in about 90% of current politicians and bureaucrats either swinging from a tree or exiled to Venezuela AND THE CONSTITUTION RESTORED.

  19. AnalogMan says:

    You really believe the NSA is going to produce the data? I have this great bridge I can let you have at a bargain price…

  20. AnalogMan says:

    You really believe the NSA is going to produce the data? I have this great bridge I can let you have at a bargain price…

  21. Callawyn says:

    Here’s another: The emails they are claiming lost are those sent to OTHER agencies. Those other agencies would still have them. And backups of them.

  22. Callawyn says:

    Here’s another: The emails they are claiming lost are those sent to OTHER agencies. Those other agencies would still have them. And backups of them.

  23. RKae says:

    Nope. Too many hedonists and pot-smoking loons (Occupy idiots) who will push things into mayhem.

    In the first American Revolution, pretty much everyone was a Christian and agreed on civil codes and manners.

    Any American Revolution now is going to see to it that Christianity holds NO PLACE in the country.

  24. RKae says:

    Nope. Too many hedonists and pot-smoking loons (Occupy idiots) who will push things into mayhem.

    In the first American Revolution, pretty much everyone was a Christian and agreed on civil codes and manners.

    Any American Revolution now is going to see to it that Christianity holds NO PLACE in the country.

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  26. Judges718 says:

    Alas, I fear you are correct.

  27. Judges718 says:

    Alas, I fear you are correct.

  28. stevewfromford says:

    And of course none of this is worthy of being printed in the NY Times, Wa Post or any of the MSM. Having the IRS blatantly lie to Congress in such a transparent way is not even worth a mention when Obama heads the government. Glad there is no bias in the media or we would have to be very concerned for the future of our Democracy.

  29. stevewfromford says:

    And of course none of this is worthy of being printed in the NY Times, Wa Post or any of the MSM. Having the IRS blatantly lie to Congress in such a transparent way is not even worth a mention when Obama heads the government. Glad there is no bias in the media or we would have to be very concerned for the future of our Democracy.

  30. MannieP says:

    In the first American Revolution, pretty much everyone was a Christian and agreed on civil codes and manners.

    Are you kidding me? It was extremely vicious. Lots of houses burned out, people made into refugees. Lots of Loyalists fled to Canada. It was a real Civil War. This is one of the events that made the Founding Fathers leery of Democracy, and caused them to take the steps they did to prevent it.

  31. Hologram5 says:

    I’m an IT person and know damn well they’re lying. The backups and redundant backups are so many that it’s impossible to lose data. Even if you wanted to. Of course I don’t work for Gov’t and as a private business, we have to keep data according to the patriot act. I would almost lay odds that these guys think that that the patriot act doesn’t apply to them.

  32. Silence Dogood says:

    I’m an IT person and know damn well they’re lying. The backups and redundant backups are so many that it’s impossible to lose data. Even if you wanted to. Of course I don’t work for Gov’t and as a private business, we have to keep data according to the patriot act. I would almost lay odds that these guys think that that the patriot act doesn’t apply to them.

  33. Hologram5 says:

    Nice point and very true! The patriot act guarantees it.

  34. Silence Dogood says:

    Nice point and very true! The patriot act guarantees it.

  35. 762x51 says:

    It is technologically IMPOSSIBLE to lose ONE users email. Note I said lose, they could conceivable delete the user mailbox and then destroy the backups but that is not losing the email that is tampering with a computer system which is a felony. Start prosecuting the IT guys which are low level, low wage(relative to Lerner) non-political appointees and the truth will soon come out.
    If the IRS is going to lie to us, shouldn’t we be lying to them?

  36. 762x51 says:

    It is technologically IMPOSSIBLE to lose ONE users email. Note I said lose, they could conceivable delete the user mailbox and then destroy the backups but that is not losing the email that is tampering with a computer system which is a felony. Start prosecuting the IT guys which are low level, low wage(relative to Lerner) non-political appointees and the truth will soon come out.
    If the IRS is going to lie to us, shouldn’t we be lying to them?

  37. 762x51 says:

    I agree. There is no way they weren’t running some virtualization solution like VMware in that environment. That alone would have prevented the loss of email assuming they had DR, FT, etc enabled. If they didn’t have that, then why bother with VM?

    A quick NSlookup shows the IRS mail exchangers to be:
    nslookup
    >server 4.2.2.1
    >set type=mx
    >irs.gov

    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg1.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg2.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg3.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg4.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg5.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg6.irs.gov

    Note the preference is 10 which means they are all primary mail exchangers that means REDUNDANCY – 6 systems deep which you would expect in an organization of the size of the IRS. The MX resolve to 152.216.7.x for the odd numbered servers, emg1, 3, 5 and 152.216.11.x for the even numbered servers, emg2, 4, 6.
    As you may know 152.216 is a Class B network but without knowing their subnetting scheme I can’t tell you how it is set up, what it does tell me is that .7.x and .11.x are on different networks. Using infoSniper.com, I checked the locations of those networks and sure enough, not only are they separate LOGICAL networks but they are different PHYSICAL networks. The 152.216.7 networks are located in Brooklyn, New York, Lat 40.6501, Long -73.94.96. Meanwhile, the 152.216.11 network is located in Washington DC, Lat 38.8933, Long -77.0146. Geographically separated networks is the norm for such a large operation as the IRS in order to prevent a single natural disaster or crash from affecting the operation. Backups are, at a minimum, made to the opposite site, best practice also dictate a third party hot site backup as well. Lois Learner was based in IRS HQ, Washington, DC, the backup of her email can be found in Brooklyn NY.
    This basic research took me about 15minutes using commonly available tools and the Internet with no special access to government systems. Fortunately, my bill rate is $250,000.00 per hour so I’ll be sending the IRS a bill for $62,500.00 for locating her email data.

  38. 762x51 says:

    I agree. There is no way they weren’t running some virtualization solution like VMware in that environment. That alone would have prevented the loss of email assuming they had DR, FT, etc enabled. If they didn’t have that, then why bother with VM?

    A quick NSlookup shows the IRS mail exchangers to be:
    nslookup
    >server 4.2.2.1
    >set type=mx
    >irs.gov

    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg1.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg2.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg3.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg4.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg5.irs.gov
    irs.gov MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = emg6.irs.gov

    Note the preference is 10 which means they are all primary mail exchangers that means REDUNDANCY – 6 systems deep which you would expect in an organization of the size of the IRS. The MX resolve to 152.216.7.x for the odd numbered servers, emg1, 3, 5 and 152.216.11.x for the even numbered servers, emg2, 4, 6.
    As you may know 152.216 is a Class B network but without knowing their subnetting scheme I can’t tell you how it is set up, what it does tell me is that .7.x and .11.x are on different networks. Using infoSniper.com, I checked the locations of those networks and sure enough, not only are they separate LOGICAL networks but they are different PHYSICAL networks. The 152.216.7 networks are located in Brooklyn, New York, Lat 40.6501, Long -73.94.96. Meanwhile, the 152.216.11 network is located in Washington DC, Lat 38.8933, Long -77.0146. Geographically separated networks is the norm for such a large operation as the IRS in order to prevent a single natural disaster or crash from affecting the operation. Backups are, at a minimum, made to the opposite site, best practice also dictate a third party hot site backup as well. Lois Learner was based in IRS HQ, Washington, DC, the backup of her email can be found in Brooklyn NY.
    This basic research took me about 15minutes using commonly available tools and the Internet with no special access to government systems. Fortunately, my bill rate is $250,000.00 per hour so I’ll be sending the IRS a bill for $62,500.00 for locating her email data.

  39. Hologram5 says:

    Well played sir! HA! I don’t mind paying a few bucks extra this round for you to virtually b*tch slap them! Nice!

  40. Silence Dogood says:

    Well played sir! HA! I don’t mind paying a few bucks extra this round for you to virtually b*tch slap them! Nice!

  41. randian says:

    There is one circumstance under which the claim that emails can’t be recovered from IRS email servers could be true: if Lerner were illegally using a private unmonitored account to conduct IRS business. She certainly isn’t going to admit the use of such an account or say which provider hosts it.

  42. randian says:

    There is one circumstance under which the claim that emails can’t be recovered from IRS email servers could be true: if Lerner were illegally using a private unmonitored account to conduct IRS business. She certainly isn’t going to admit the use of such an account or say which provider hosts it.

  43. robohobo60 says:

    It is not even a good lie. ANYONE who has worked in gov’t or a big corp. knows everything, and I mean everything gets saved.

    Shows the level of contempt for the American people they really have.

  44. RDaneel says:

    It is not even a good lie. ANYONE who has worked in gov’t or a big corp. knows everything, and I mean everything gets saved.

    Shows the level of contempt for the American people they really have.

  45. robohobo60 says:

    Yeah, right. Promises, promises. This is day 403 of the IRS scandal according to Glenn Reynolds. And this has been resolved to whose satisfaction?

    Yup, yup.

  46. RDaneel says:

    Yeah, right. Promises, promises. This is day 403 of the IRS scandal according to Glenn Reynolds. And this has been resolved to whose satisfaction?

    Yup, yup.

  47. Eric says:

    Kinda makes you wonder exactly what Ed Snowden has on those so called data files he is hiding, doesn’t it.

  48. Eric says:

    Kinda makes you wonder exactly what Ed Snowden has on those so called data files he is hiding, doesn’t it.

  49. Mr. Freemarket says:

    The house should now start arresting IRS employees, charging them with conspiracy to deny civil rights, 18 UCS 241. These people are acting in a criminal manner and should be treated as such.

  50. Mr. Freemarket says:

    The house should now start arresting IRS employees, charging them with conspiracy to deny civil rights, 18 UCS 241. These people are acting in a criminal manner and should be treated as such.

  51. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I suspect most hosts have backups of everything. I know the NSA has backups of everything.

  52. Mr. Freemarket says:

    They really think we are stupid.

  53. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I suspect most hosts have backups of everything. I know the NSA has backups of everything.

  54. Mr. Freemarket says:

    They really think we are stupid.

  55. randian says:

    I’m sure this private account, if it exists, does indeed perform backups. The problem is time. My provider only keeps 6 months of backups, since unlike government agencies they don’t have a retention mandate. Lerner has stalled things more than long enough for all incriminating emails from this hypothetical account to have been lost.

  56. randian says:

    I’m sure this private account, if it exists, does indeed perform backups. The problem is time. My provider only keeps 6 months of backups, since unlike government agencies they don’t have a retention mandate. Lerner has stalled things more than long enough for all incriminating emails from this hypothetical account to have been lost.

  57. randian says:

    No, they don’t think we’re stupid. This is the kind of lie you tell somebody you have complete contempt for.

  58. randian says:

    No, they don’t think we’re stupid. This is the kind of lie you tell somebody you have complete contempt for.

  59. Mr. Freemarket says:

    The NSA never erases anything.

  60. Mr. Freemarket says:

    The NSA never erases anything.

  61. randian says:

    No doubt. I think they’re allied to the left, however, just as the CIA was during Bush’s tenure.

  62. randian says:

    No doubt. I think they’re allied to the left, however, just as the CIA was during Bush’s tenure.

  63. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Government workers are union labor. When it is all said and done, government workers all lean left.

  64. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Government workers are union labor. When it is all said and done, government workers all lean left.

  65. randian says:

    My point was that the NSA can’t be relied upon to give up evidence impeaching Lerner or Obama, even if they have it.

  66. randian says:

    My point was that the NSA can’t be relied upon to give up evidence impeaching Lerner or Obama, even if they have it.

  67. 762x51 says:

    It is far more likely that a system would lose 10,000 user’s emails than one or two even the six or seven they are now claiming. The only realistic way for one user’s emails to be “lost” is for someone with administrative rights to the system to go in and delete the mailbox and any backups. That is a felony, period.

    Someone needs to go to prison here. The system will have a log of the credential used to delete this data, is who goes to jail unless they want to tell us who ordered them to do the tampering. All federal criminal codes are located in Title 18 United States Code, the relevant portion for this crime is found in 18 U.S. Code § 1030. The statute provides for $5,000 or 5 years in prison or both unless there is an additional violation under he same statute. Then the penalty increases to 10 years in prison. If six mailboxes were deleted the individual who did it is looking at $30,000 in fines and 60 years in prison, unless someone ordered them to do it which constitutes conspiracy, a separate crime for each offense where the penalty is 20 years in prison per offense.
    Find he IT guy with system access who actually did this and tell him he is looing at 100+ years in prison and tens of thousands of dollars in fines and see if he wants to talk.

  68. 762x51 says:

    It is far more likely that a system would lose 10,000 user’s emails than one or two even the six or seven they are now claiming. The only realistic way for one user’s emails to be “lost” is for someone with administrative rights to the system to go in and delete the mailbox and any backups. That is a felony, period.

    Someone needs to go to prison here. The system will have a log of the credential used to delete this data, is who goes to jail unless they want to tell us who ordered them to do the tampering. All federal criminal codes are located in Title 18 United States Code, the relevant portion for this crime is found in 18 U.S. Code § 1030. The statute provides for $5,000 or 5 years in prison or both unless there is an additional violation under he same statute. Then the penalty increases to 10 years in prison. If six mailboxes were deleted the individual who did it is looking at $30,000 in fines and 60 years in prison, unless someone ordered them to do it which constitutes conspiracy, a separate crime for each offense where the penalty is 20 years in prison per offense.
    Find he IT guy with system access who actually did this and tell him he is looing at 100+ years in prison and tens of thousands of dollars in fines and see if he wants to talk.

  69. 765x51 says:

    “Nope. Too many hedonists and pot-smoking loons (Occupy idiots) who will push things into mayhem.”
    There are enough trees and rope in America for them as well.
    This is about the survival of western civilization, we cannot pussy-foot around wit this. Hundreds o thousands of people are going to die because of liberalism, that is what they want, they just ant it to be us. The only way to defeat them, as has been the case since the dawn of time, is to make them die for their cause.
    Your normalcy bias is showing.

  70. 765x51 says:

    “Nope. Too many hedonists and pot-smoking loons (Occupy idiots) who will push things into mayhem.”
    There are enough trees and rope in America for them as well.
    This is about the survival of western civilization, we cannot pussy-foot around wit this. Hundreds o thousands of people are going to die because of liberalism, that is what they want, they just ant it to be us. The only way to defeat them, as has been the case since the dawn of time, is to make them die for their cause.
    Your normalcy bias is showing.

  71. 762x51 says:

    Least of all the DOJ.
    The U.S. government is the largest criminal enterprise on Earth.

  72. 762x51 says:

    Least of all the DOJ.
    The U.S. government is the largest criminal enterprise on Earth.

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