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Sep 05 2014

New York Gun Shop Commanded to Turn Over Customer Records

No doubt you’ve heard this line: “We don’t want to confiscate your guns. That would be unconstitutional. We only want to register guns, so as to better regulate them.” Here’s why you do not let the government force you to register your guns:

A SWAT team raided co-owner Joe Palumbo’s Albion Gun Shop without a warrant. They were acting on orders from the Narcotics Enforcement Unit, who asked the shop to hand over a customer list so they could determine how many people had purchased New York SAFE Act compliant rifles. The gun owner was forced to present approximately 170 sales records. Under the state’s anti-gun law, this intrusion was completely legal.

Palumbo has been selling bullet button AR15s, which are legal under the misnamed SAFE Act — maybe. The law is vague and confusing, and enforcement has been selective. He’ll find out if he’s a felon when the authorities drag him off to prison. The same with his customers.

The reason the government collects so much information on us is that information is power. Power is no fun for tyrants unless it is used. Gun registration information can only be used for one ultimate purpose.

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On a tip from Henry.



20 Responses to “New York Gun Shop Commanded to Turn Over Customer Records”

  1. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    “Take off the tinfoil hats, you loons. Nobody wants to take your guns!”

    They’ll still be saying that to us when we are face-down on our front lawns, at 3 AM, with a SWAT officer’s knee in the middle of our backs while the others tear apart our house.

  2. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    “Take off the tinfoil hats, you loons. Nobody wants to take your guns!”

    I swear, the SWAT officer with his knee on our back will be whispering that in our ear when he has us face-down on our front lawns at 3 AM.

  3. JustAl says:

    Without an armed citizenry, the biggest thug with the biggest knife rules every neighborhood. Look at the tragedy that is England today.

  4. JustAl says:

    Without an armed citizenry, the biggest thug with the biggest knife rules every neighborhood. Look at the tragedy that is England today.

  5. Nangleator says:

    Yeah, man! Who the fuck says anything about people with guns being well-regulated?

  6. Nangleator says:

    Yeah, man! Who the fuck says anything about people with guns being well-regulated?

  7. Cameraman says:

    That Store Owner Did his Customers Wrong, he should have fought them in Court, these NY commies will not stop until they start a Very Uncivil War!!!!

  8. Cameraman says:

    That Store Owner Did his Customers Wrong, he should have fought them in Court, these NY commies will not stop until they start a Very Uncivil War!!!!

  9. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    I believe the owner is fighting this, but important damage has already been done.

    On the general topic of records and seizure thereof, according to current Federal law, all federally licensed dealers are required to keep a bound book of all transactions. Federal inspectors can view these books on demand. The inspectors cannot (legally) make copies, but they can write down any info they wish. And, if the dealer loses their license, quits, or retires, the bound books go to the BATFE. So, all those records go to the .gov eventually. Sorry, off topic but I thought I’d put it out there in case the info is useful to anyone.

  10. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    I believe the owner is fighting this, but important damage has already been done.

    On the general topic of records and seizure thereof, according to current Federal law, all federally licensed dealers are required to keep a bound book of all transactions (including the purchaser’s personal info and the make, model, and serial number of arm(s) purchased. Federal inspectors can view these books on demand. The inspectors cannot (legally) make copies, but they can write down any info they wish. And, if the dealer loses their license, quits, or retires, the bound books must go to the BATFE. So, all those records go to the .gov eventually. Sorry, off topic but I thought I’d put it out there in case the info is useful to anyone.

  11. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    “Well-regulated” meaning well-trained and well-equipped at the time the Bill of Rights was written. Believe it or not, the civilian marksmanship program, which was designed to ensure that Americans knew basic use of arms, still exists. My guess is that only the program’s obscurity protects it from attack by statists.

  12. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    “Well-regulated” meaning well-trained and well-equipped at the time the Bill of Rights was written. Believe it or not, the civilian marksmanship program, which was designed to ensure that Americans knew basic use of arms, still exists [not to imply the CMP was around at the founders’ time; it’s more recent]. As to the well-equipped part, the customers whose records were seized were doing their best to fulfill that, given the limits imposed on them by NY.

  13. Son_of_Taz says:

    Ahhh…..dreaming of the day…..

  14. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Ahhh…..dreaming of the day…..

  15. Nangleator says:

    So, you believe modern American gun owners ARE well trained? Really? You think a continuous flow of accidental killings represents a well-trained militia? Would you feel safe getting into an airplane flown by pilots as well trained as your neighbors are with guns?

  16. Nangleator says:

    So, you believe modern American gun owners ARE well trained? Really? You think a continuous flow of accidental killings represents a well-trained militia? Would you feel safe getting into an airplane flown by pilots as well trained as your neighbors are with guns?

  17. Son_of_Taz says:

    Well, nang, about 30,000 people die in traffic accidents in a year, while about 3,000 die as a result of gun shots. Untrained pilots probably wouldn’t get an aircraft off the ground, but a moving vehicle at 55mph seems to be more lethal than a lead bullet going 900fps.

    I feel safer around gun owners all day long.

  18. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Well, nang, about 30,000 people die in traffic accidents in a year, while about 3,000 die as a result of gun shots. Untrained pilots probably wouldn’t get an aircraft off the ground, but a moving vehicle at 55mph seems to be more lethal than a lead bullet going 900fps.

    I feel safer around gun owners all day long.


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