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Oct 28 2015

Open Thread

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Via Liberal Logic 101, on a tip from Stormfax.



373 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Bodhisattva says:

    RECORD NUMBER OF AMERICAN CITIZENS RENOUNCE!

    A record number of Americans have renounced their citizenship so far this year, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service.

    According to IRS data published in the Federal Register on Monday, 1,426 Americans expatriated in the third quarter of 2015, bringing this year’s total to 3,221 so far. The figure is 25 percent higher than the same period last year, when 2,585 renounced their citizenship.

    And, of course, Democrats found a way to get rich off forcing people to give up their citizenship:

    The administrative processing fee required from those who renounce citizenship increased from $450 to $2,350 last year, which means those who left paid the feds a record parting gift total of just over $7.5 million.

    In addition to being a record for the year to date, it was the second quarterly record broken in 2015. The previous record was 1,336, set in the first quarter of the year.

  2. Bodhisattva says:

    RECORD NUMBER OF AMERICAN CITIZENS RENOUNCE!

    A record number of Americans have renounced their citizenship so far this year, according to data from the Internal Revenue Service.

    According to IRS data published in the Federal Register on Monday, 1,426 Americans expatriated in the third quarter of 2015, bringing this year’s total to 3,221 so far. The figure is 25 percent higher than the same period last year, when 2,585 renounced their citizenship.

    And, of course, Democrats found a way to get rich off forcing people to give up their citizenship:

    The administrative processing fee required from those who renounce citizenship increased from $450 to $2,350 last year, which means those who left paid the feds a record parting gift total of just over $7.5 million.

    In addition to being a record for the year to date, it was the second quarterly record broken in 2015. The previous record was 1,336, set in the first quarter of the year.

  3. Bodhisattva says:

    Liberal groups aren’t getting their way & are threatening to boycott SXSW – THEIR LOSS!

    SXSW is about music. They’re trying to turn it into a huge politically correct bunch of nonsense.

    Two media organizations are threatening to withdraw from the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Texas, next year after organizers canceled two controversial panels dealing with online harassment.

    SXSW organizers this week said they would cancel the panels in response to threats of violence. In response, BuzzFeed and Vox Media said they would not participate in SXSW if the event does not find a way to address the online harassment issue.

    GOOD!

    Stay away… liberal losers!

  4. Bodhisattva says:

    Liberal groups aren’t getting their way & are threatening to boycott SXSW – THEIR LOSS!

    SXSW is about music. They’re trying to turn it into a huge politically correct bunch of nonsense.

    Two media organizations are threatening to withdraw from the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Texas, next year after organizers canceled two controversial panels dealing with online harassment.

    SXSW organizers this week said they would cancel the panels in response to threats of violence. In response, BuzzFeed and Vox Media said they would not participate in SXSW if the event does not find a way to address the online harassment issue.

    GOOD!

    Stay away… liberal losers!

  5. Bodhisattva says:

    Liberal doublespeak! On the one hand, liberals attack the Catholic Church over the homosexual pedophiles who posed as priests.

    But on the other, they’re mad that the Church remains committed to a stand against homosexuality in general.

    A high-ranking Polish priest who was fired after coming out as gay has accused the Catholic Church of making life ‘hell’ for millions of homosexuals.

    Father Krzystof Charamsa was stripped of his post earlier this month on the day he announced he was in a relationship with another man.

    By definition, a priest cannot be in an active relationship with ANYONE. They MUST dedicate themselves to their duties as priests and not be involved with any man or woman in any such way.

    This guy didn’t get fired because he is gay – he got fired because he broke his vows. It so happens he did it with another man, but if he announced he was with a woman the result would have been the same.

  6. Bodhisattva says:

    Liberal doublespeak! On the one hand, liberals attack the Catholic Church over the homosexual pedophiles who posed as priests.

    But on the other, they’re mad that the Church remains committed to a stand against homosexuality in general.

    A high-ranking Polish priest who was fired after coming out as gay has accused the Catholic Church of making life ‘hell’ for millions of homosexuals.

    Father Krzystof Charamsa was stripped of his post earlier this month on the day he announced he was in a relationship with another man.

    By definition, a priest cannot be in an active relationship with ANYONE. They MUST dedicate themselves to their duties as priests and not be involved with any man or woman in any such way.

    By the way, you can still be gay and a Catholic. That hasn’t changed – and neither has the common sense rule that you can’t be active sexually and a priest.

    This guy didn’t get fired because he is gay – he got fired because he broke his vows. It so happens he did it with another man. If he announced he was with a woman the result would have been the same.

  7. Bodhisattva says:

    Another Obama lie exposed – about not fighting in Iraq any more (likely the same in Afghanistan too!)

    When Defense Secretary Ashton Carter announced Tuesday that the U.S. would begin “direct action” against Islamic State targets in Syria and Iraq, it sounded like a new mission for U.S. forces in a country where the president has repeatedly insisted Americans would not be engaged in combat operations.

    But America’s special operations forces have been engaging in these kinds of missions for several months, particularly in the Kurdish-controlled provinces in northern Iraq. And the special operations forces have already built up an extensive infrastructure to support these activities. This casts doubt on the official Pentagon statements that last week’s raid was “a unique circumstance.”

    “Several months” is basically since we supposedly pulled out.

  8. Bodhisattva says:

    Another Obama lie exposed – about not fighting in Iraq any more (likely the same in Afghanistan too!)

    When Defense Secretary Ashton Carter announced Tuesday that the U.S. would begin “direct action” against Islamic State targets in Syria and Iraq, it sounded like a new mission for U.S. forces in a country where the president has repeatedly insisted Americans would not be engaged in combat operations.

    But America’s special operations forces have been engaging in these kinds of missions for several months, particularly in the Kurdish-controlled provinces in northern Iraq. And the special operations forces have already built up an extensive infrastructure to support these activities. This casts doubt on the official Pentagon statements that last week’s raid was “a unique circumstance.”

    “Several months” is basically since we supposedly pulled out.

  9. Bodhisattva says:

    Although not an ‘illegal’ alien, this is exactly the sort of guy Donald Trump was talking about.

    After sleeping for several hours, the woman awoke and Quraishi asked “whether she had a good nap.” At that point, the victim realized that lotion had been “spread on her arms, chest, and up her legs.” Detective Christopher Caruso added that the woman also noticed that “the hand lotion she had placed in the pocket in front of her seat was missing.”

    The woman said that when walking to the bathroom “her vaginal area was sore.”She subsequently “saw that her underwear had been shifted and that lotion was in her vaginal area and on her underwear.”

    Upon returning to her seat, the woman asked Quraishi where her hand lotion was. After he passed the lotion to her, she contacted crew members.

    When the flight atendants questioned Quraishi, he reportedly admitted applying lotion to the woman’s “arms, shoulders, and legs and used the lotion in her vaginal area.” Quraishi, the workers recalled, said that he thought the woman “needed it,” and that the sleeping passenger “enjoyed it because she did not resist.”

    “The defendant also told the flight attendants that he liked it and that it happened to him as a child,” reported Detective Caruso.

    Upon the flight’s arrival at John F. Kennedy International Airport, Quraishi was questioned by law enforcement agents. He admitted to “inappropriately touching the passenger, that he knew it was wrong, but he did not specify how he touched the passenger,” Caruso reported.

  10. Bodhisattva says:

    Although not an ‘illegal’ alien, this is exactly the sort of guy Donald Trump was talking about.

    After sleeping for several hours, the woman awoke and Quraishi asked “whether she had a good nap.” At that point, the victim realized that lotion had been “spread on her arms, chest, and up her legs.” Detective Christopher Caruso added that the woman also noticed that “the hand lotion she had placed in the pocket in front of her seat was missing.”

    The woman said that when walking to the bathroom “her vaginal area was sore.”She subsequently “saw that her underwear had been shifted and that lotion was in her vaginal area and on her underwear.”

    Upon returning to her seat, the woman asked Quraishi where her hand lotion was. After he passed the lotion to her, she contacted crew members.

    When the flight atendants questioned Quraishi, he reportedly admitted applying lotion to the woman’s “arms, shoulders, and legs and used the lotion in her vaginal area.” Quraishi, the workers recalled, said that he thought the woman “needed it,” and that the sleeping passenger “enjoyed it because she did not resist.”

    “The defendant also told the flight attendants that he liked it and that it happened to him as a child,” reported Detective Caruso.

    Upon the flight’s arrival at John F. Kennedy International Airport, Quraishi was questioned by law enforcement agents. He admitted to “inappropriately touching the passenger, that he knew it was wrong, but he did not specify how he touched the passenger,” Caruso reported.

  11. Bodhisattva says:

    Assassin’s tool

    Using wi-fi to map an unseen room.

    The device is called RF Capture and it was developed by researchers at MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab (CSAIL).

    It has long been thought that wireless signals, such as Wi-Fi, can be used to see things that are invisible to the naked eye.

    Using a wireless transmitter fitted behind a wall, computer scientists have developed a device that can map a nearby room in 3D while scanning for human bodies.

    Using the signals that bounce and reflect off these people, the device creates an accurate silhouette and can even use this silhouette to identify who that person is.

  12. Bodhisattva says:

    Assassin’s tool

    Using wi-fi to map an unseen room.

    The device is called RF Capture and it was developed by researchers at MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab (CSAIL).

    It has long been thought that wireless signals, such as Wi-Fi, can be used to see things that are invisible to the naked eye.

    Using a wireless transmitter fitted behind a wall, computer scientists have developed a device that can map a nearby room in 3D while scanning for human bodies.

    Using the signals that bounce and reflect off these people, the device creates an accurate silhouette and can even use this silhouette to identify who that person is.

  13. Bodhisattva says:

    One less moonbat in the world tonight.

    Personally I’d much rather they reduce their numbers by wising up, but hey, one less moonbat is one less moonbat!

    Actor and model Sam Sarpong, known for co-hosting MTV’s “Yo Momma” with Wilmer Valderrama, died Monday, his rep confirmed. He was 40.

    Sarpong died after jumping off a bridge in Pasadena, Calif., according to E! News. The Los Angeles County Department of Medical Examiner-Coroner has ruled his death a suicide, with an autopsy pending.

  14. Bodhisattva says:

    One less moonbat in the world tonight.

    Personally I’d much rather they reduce their numbers by wising up, but hey, one less moonbat is one less moonbat!

    Actor and model Sam Sarpong, known for co-hosting MTV’s “Yo Momma” with Wilmer Valderrama, died Monday, his rep confirmed. He was 40.

    Sarpong died after jumping off a bridge in Pasadena, Calif., according to E! News. The Los Angeles County Department of Medical Examiner-Coroner has ruled his death a suicide, with an autopsy pending.

  15. Bodhisattva says:

    The U.S. Copyright Office and the Librarian of Congress granted an exemption from the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that give Smart TV users the freedom to “jailbreak” their devices. This will allow “interoperability” between different TVs, and the installation of third-party software.

    Exemption to Prohibition on Circumvention of Copyright Protection Systems for
    Access Control Technologies

    There are two concerns here:

    1) This will allow all sorts of piracy of content.

    2) This may allow people to spy on us, particularly if this ends up applying to all smart content delivery devices and your smart device has audio and video input (microphone, camera) capability.

  16. Bodhisattva says:

    The U.S. Copyright Office and the Librarian of Congress granted an exemption from the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that give Smart TV users the freedom to “jailbreak” their devices. This will allow “interoperability” between different TVs, and the installation of third-party software.

    Exemption to Prohibition on Circumvention of Copyright Protection Systems for
    Access Control Technologies

    There are two concerns here:

    1) This will allow all sorts of piracy of content.

    2) This may allow people to spy on us, particularly if this ends up applying to all smart content delivery devices and your smart device has audio and video input (microphone, camera) capability.

  17. Bodhisattva says:

    REAL scientists hand over their data and methods because they have noting to hide.

    Basically there are internal communications where the various people involved in this climate conspiracy talked very candidly in ways that will totally blow their publicly stated conclusions out of the water – just like the CLIMATEGATE e-mail scandal in the U.K.

    The federal government’s chief climate research agency is refusing to give House Republicans the detailed information they want on a controversial study on climate change.

    Citing confidentiality concerns and the integrity of the scientific process, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said it won’t give Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) the research documents he subpoenaed.

    At the center of the controversy is a study that concluded there has not been a 15-year “pause” in global warming. Some NOAA scientists contributed to the report.

    Skeptics of climate change, including Smith, have cited the pause to insist that increased greenhouse gas emissions, mostly from burning fossil fuels, are not heating up the globe.

    Smith, the chairman of the House Science Committee, vehemently disagreed with the study’s findings. He issued a subpoena for communications among the scientists and some data, leading to charges from Democrats that he was trying to intimidate the researchers. [If they didn’t engage in any fraud they have no reason to worry about being intimidated.]

    “It was inconvenient for this administration that climate data has clearly showed no warming for the past two decades,” he said in a statement. “The American people have every right to be suspicious when NOAA alters data to get the politically correct results they want and then refuses to reveal how those decisions were made.”

    Smith also said NOAA’s assertion of confidentiality is incorrect.

    “The agency has yet to identify any legal basis for withholding these documents,” he said, adding that his panel would use “all tools at its disposal” to continue investigating.

  18. Bodhisattva says:

    REAL scientists hand over their data and methods because they have noting to hide.

    Basically there are internal communications where the various people involved in this climate conspiracy talked very candidly in ways that will totally blow their publicly stated conclusions out of the water – just like the CLIMATEGATE e-mail scandal in the U.K.

    The federal government’s chief climate research agency is refusing to give House Republicans the detailed information they want on a controversial study on climate change.

    Citing confidentiality concerns and the integrity of the scientific process, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said it won’t give Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) the research documents he subpoenaed.

    At the center of the controversy is a study that concluded there has not been a 15-year “pause” in global warming. Some NOAA scientists contributed to the report.

    Skeptics of climate change, including Smith, have cited the pause to insist that increased greenhouse gas emissions, mostly from burning fossil fuels, are not heating up the globe.

    Smith, the chairman of the House Science Committee, vehemently disagreed with the study’s findings. He issued a subpoena for communications among the scientists and some data, leading to charges from Democrats that he was trying to intimidate the researchers. [If they didn’t engage in any fraud they have no reason to worry about being intimidated.]

    “It was inconvenient for this administration that climate data has clearly showed no warming for the past two decades,” he said in a statement. “The American people have every right to be suspicious when NOAA alters data to get the politically correct results they want and then refuses to reveal how those decisions were made.”

    Smith also said NOAA’s assertion of confidentiality is incorrect.

    “The agency has yet to identify any legal basis for withholding these documents,” he said, adding that his panel would use “all tools at its disposal” to continue investigating.

  19. Bodhisattva says:

    SO I hear Ryan accepted the position of Speaker of the House… with dry eyes.

  20. Bodhisattva says:

    SO I hear Ryan accepted the position of Speaker of the House… with dry eyes.

  21. Bodhisattva says:

    Former employees speak out about Disney’s outsourcing of high-tech jobs – and being forced to train their immigrant replacements.

    “I’m in the room with about two-dozen people, and very shortly thereafter an executive delivers the news that all of our jobs are ending in 90 days, and that we have 90 days to train our replacements then we won’t get a bonus that we’ve been offered,” says Leo Perrero, a former app developer for Disney.
    Adding insult to injury, a follow-up letter was provided describing the expectations and severance pay they’d receive if they adhered to Disney’s wishes for the following 90 days.
    “So many American workers, across the country, hundreds of thousands are losing their jobs because they’re being replaced by foreign workers,” says Sarasota-based employment Attorney Sara Blackwell, who is representing both men. Blackwell tells us this isn’t just a problem with Disney. Companies, including Toys R Us, IBM and Verizon, have been contracting with companies and outsourcing work. The reason: Loopholes in the law that establishes the H1B visa.
    “H1B, when done properly, is a great avenue,” she says. “The purpose of H1B is to bring in foreign workers, when there’s no qualified U.S. worker.”
    Blackwell says there are about 800,000 H1B workers in the U.S., and they are meant to fill highly specialized positions for companies that are unable to find qualified Americans to fill those jobs.
    But when Disney lets go of more than 250 employees at once, something doesn’t add up.

  22. Bodhisattva says:

    MOONBATS OUTDO THEMSELVES AGAIN!

    Are you sitting down?

    THIS JUST IN:

    PUMPKINS CAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE!

    That’s right – Jack-o-lanterns are climate criminals.

    Remember, you heard it here first!

  23. Bodhisattva says:

    MOONBATS OUTDO THEMSELVES AGAIN!

    Are you sitting down?

    THIS JUST IN:

    PUMPKINS CAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE!

    That’s right – Jack-o-lanterns are climate criminals.

    Remember, you heard it here first!

  24. MAS says:

    Well you see the illegals grow the marijuana in our national forests and that defiantly is work and a lifestyle Americans just are not willing to do. Look, if you’d just light up a big old bowl it would all make sense…dude. >snerk<

    P.S. I maintain that the only way to fathom a Democrat is to get stoned but that the smoking of marijuana is the gateway to becoming one of them…exercise much caution if you feel the need to test my theory.

  25. MAS says:

    Well you see the illegals grow the marijuana in our national forests and that defiantly is work and a lifestyle Americans just are not willing to do. Look, if you’d just light up a big old bowl it would all make sense…dude. >snerk<

    P.S. I maintain that the only way to fathom a Democrat is to get stoned but that the smoking of marijuana is the gateway to becoming one of them…exercise much caution if you feel the need to test my theory.

  26. Bodhisattva says:

    I know… it’s like… uh… what?

  27. Bodhisattva says:

    I know… it’s like… uh… what?

  28. Mr. Freemarket says:

    By the way….federal law also trumps state law in allowing the wholesale slaughter of the unborn.

  29. Mr. Freemarket says:

    By the way….federal law also trumps state law in allowing the wholesale slaughter of the unborn.

  30. Mike_W20 says:

    That’s why they took control of the classrooms: a steady supply of other people’s kids they can brainwash as replacements for dead moonbats.

  31. Mike_W20 says:

    That’s why they took control of the classrooms: a steady supply of other people’s kids they can brainwash as replacements for dead moonbats.

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  33. DJ says:

    The best thing about the debate last night was the Republican candidates fighting back against the moderators thus exposing them as the devious progs they are.
    .
    MRC president Brent Bozell issued a statement Wednesday night criticizing the overall tilt and tone of the CNBC Republican debate in Boulder:
    .
    <blockquote?"The CNBC moderators acted less like journalists and more like Clinton campaign operatives. What was supposed to be a serious debate about the many issues plaguing our economy was given up for one Democratic talking point after another served up by the so-call 'moderators.' They clearly war-gamed this thinking that a relentless series of personal attacks on the candidates would somehow drive their ratings and help Hillary Clinton.

    The CNBC debate will go down in history as an encyclopedic example of liberal media bias on stage. The audience roared its disdain for these so-called 'journalists,' and all of America heard it. CNBC should be embarrassed for their pitiful display of partisan liberal media bias and apologize to the GOP candidates and the American people."

    – See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nb-staff/2015/10/28/bozell-cnbc-debates-was-encyclopedic-example-liberal-media-bias#sthash.03Ir4UHO.dpuf

  34. DJ says:

    The best thing about the debate last night was the Republican candidates fighting back against the moderators thus exposing them as the devious progs they are.
    .
    MRC president Brent Bozell issued a statement Wednesday night criticizing the overall tilt and tone of the CNBC Republican debate in Boulder:
    .
    <blockquote?"The CNBC moderators acted less like journalists and more like Clinton campaign operatives. What was supposed to be a serious debate about the many issues plaguing our economy was given up for one Democratic talking point after another served up by the so-call 'moderators.' They clearly war-gamed this thinking that a relentless series of personal attacks on the candidates would somehow drive their ratings and help Hillary Clinton.

    The CNBC debate will go down in history as an encyclopedic example of liberal media bias on stage. The audience roared its disdain for these so-called 'journalists,' and all of America heard it. CNBC should be embarrassed for their pitiful display of partisan liberal media bias and apologize to the GOP candidates and the American people."

    – See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nb-staff/2015/10/28/bozell-cnbc-debates-was-encyclopedic-example-liberal-media-bias#sthash.03Ir4UHO.dpuf

  35. DJ says:

    “The CNBC moderators acted less like journalists and more like Clinton campaign operatives. What was supposed to be a serious debate about the many issues plaguing our economy was given up for one Democratic talking point after another served up by the so-call ‘moderators.’ They clearly war-gamed this thinking that a relentless series of personal attacks on the candidates would somehow drive their ratings and help Hillary Clinton.

    The CNBC debate will go down in history as an encyclopedic example of liberal media bias on stage. The audience roared its disdain for these so-called ‘journalists,’ and all of America heard it. CNBC should be embarrassed for their pitiful display of partisan liberal media bias and apologize to the GOP candidates and the American people.”

  36. DJ says:

    “The CNBC moderators acted less like journalists and more like Clinton campaign operatives. What was supposed to be a serious debate about the many issues plaguing our economy was given up for one Democratic talking point after another served up by the so-call ‘moderators.’ They clearly war-gamed this thinking that a relentless series of personal attacks on the candidates would somehow drive their ratings and help Hillary Clinton.

    The CNBC debate will go down in history as an encyclopedic example of liberal media bias on stage. The audience roared its disdain for these so-called ‘journalists,’ and all of America heard it. CNBC should be embarrassed for their pitiful display of partisan liberal media bias and apologize to the GOP candidates and the American people.”

  37. TED says:

    http://i.imgur.com/5qoMnFc.jpg Just when EVERYTHING is going HER way…

  38. TED says:

    http://i.imgur.com/5qoMnFc.jpg Just when EVERYTHING is going HER way…

  39. TED says:

    http://i.imgur.com/rpNOMAO.jpg democRATS celebrating MURDER? NOTHING NEW.

  40. Henry says:

    Exit visa now required…

  41. TED says:

    http://i.imgur.com/rpNOMAO.jpg democRATS celebrating MURDER? NOTHING NEW.

  42. Henry says:

    Exit visa now required…

  43. TED says:

    http://i.imgur.com/lf7R791.jpg He know how it would end, the same way ALL trials against democRATs go.

  44. TED says:

    http://i.imgur.com/lf7R791.jpg He know how it would end, the same way ALL trials against democRATs go.

  45. TED says:

    http://i.imgur.com/k3s5d9H.jpg Just sounds like your typical liberal to me??!

  46. TED says:

    http://i.imgur.com/k3s5d9H.jpg Just sounds like your typical liberal to me??!

  47. MAS says:

    Dude, totally! 😉

  48. MAS says:

    Dude, totally! 😉

  49. Eddie_Valiant says:

    OMG that cackle makes my skin crawl!

  50. Eddie_Valiant says:

    OMG that cackle makes my skin crawl!

  51. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Which father?

  52. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Which father?

  53. MAS says:

    The bloody bitch of Benghazi…

  54. MAS says:

    The bloody bitch of Benghazi…

  55. MAS says:

    Daym TED, Bullseye!

  56. MAS says:

    Daym TED, Bullseye!

  57. TED says:

    DOSEN’T IT!! WHAT AN IRRITATING BITCH, AND TO THINK, 8 YEARS OF THAT!!

  58. TED says:

    DOSEN’T IT!! WHAT AN IRRITATING BITCH, AND TO THINK, 8 YEARS OF THAT!!

  59. TED says:

    THEY found out they could CHEAT them into office AND the Republicans would let them!

  60. TED says:

    THEY found out they could CHEAT them into office AND the Republicans would let them!

  61. TED says:

    HEH, the black one…

  62. TED says:

    HEH, the black one…

  63. TED says:

    Outrageous, again, they skate?! Lady justice is more than blind, they have kidnapped her!

  64. TED says:

    Outrageous, again, they skate?! Lady justice is more than blind, they have kidnapped her!

  65. TED says:

    Yep, once again, we wait.

  66. TED says:

    Yep, once again, we wait.

  67. KHarn says:

    There’s no sound.

  68. KHarn says:

    There’s no sound.

  69. Torcer says:

    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

  70. Torcer says:

    Brevity is the soul of wit.
    William Shakespeare

  71. Torcer says:

    “If the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the
    whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme
    Court,” wrote Abraham Lincoln, “the people will have ceased to be their
    own rulers.”

  72. Torcer says:

    “The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy
    without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to
    do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose.“
    Ronald Reagan

  73. Torcer says:

    Do “Gun-Free” zones work s advertised? Yes or No?
    ………………………………
    What is it about Socialists and their predilection for taking the people’s means of self defense?

    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
    Karl Marx

    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
    Karl Marx

    That ‘From’ can only be done at the point of a gun.

  74. Torcer says:

    And of course the #nationalSocialistLeft will have the tired old ‘Surrounding areas’ excuse to parrot.
    [If that’s the case, why don’t the ‘surrounding areas’ have a Bigger problem with guns?]

    Let’s face it – People (Gun) Control DOES NOT WORK!!

    Chicago is exhibit A

    What is it about the #nationalSocialist that their only talent is the creation and parroting ad nauseum of excuses and obfuscation’s?

    I guess when your old and Failed base ideology of Socialism from over 100 years ago has to be renamed and relabeled

  75. Torcer says:

    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

  76. Torcer says:

    “Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.” — Sun Tzu

  77. Torcer says:

    Ad hominem III

    Is that the best you can muster?

    Childish ad hominem attacks?

    Definition of ad hominem
    1(Of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining
    2Relating to or associated with a particular person
    Origin Latin, literally ‘to the person’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ad-hominem

    Is that the all you can manage to regurgitate?

    Definition of ad hominem
    1(Of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining
    2Relating to or associated with a particular person
    Origin Latin, literally ‘to the person’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ad-hominem

  78. Torcer says:

    Ad hominem II

    Are childish ad hominem attacks the best you can offer, or can you actually address what was presented?

    Definition of ad hominem
    1(Of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining
    2Relating to or associated with a particular person
    Origin Latin, literally ‘to the person’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ad-hominem


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    Is that the all you can manage to regurgitate?

    Definition of ad hominem
    1(Of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining
    2Relating to or associated with a particular person
    Origin Latin, literally ‘to the person’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ad-hominem

  79. Torcer says:

    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus

  80. Torcer says:

    Comment Reference

    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774

  81. Torcer says:

    Ad hominem

    Are childish ad hominem attacks the best you can offer, or can you actually address what was presented?

    Definition of ad hominem
    1(Of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining
    2Relating to or associated with a particular person
    Origin Latin, literally ‘to the person’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ad-hominem


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    Is that the all you can manage to regurgitate?

    Definition of ad hominem
    1(Of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining
    2Relating to or associated with a particular person
    Origin Latin, literally ‘to the person’.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/ad-hominem

  82. Torcer says:

    Comment Reference

    The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. – James Burgh, 1774

  83. Torcer says:

    “We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word many mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name- liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.”
    Abraham Lincoln
    Source:April 18, 1864 – Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, Maryland

  84. Torcer says:

    Strawman misrepresentation II

    Ah yes, the Old standby – the strawman misrepresentation:

    Strawman Definition
    A fallacy in which an opponent’s argument is overstated or misrepresented in order to be more easily attacked or refuted.
    http://grammar.about.com/od/rs/g/strawmanterm.htm


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    If It’s supposedly Not a Strawman argument than please cite where I made that explicit statement and be sure to an EXCERPTS and Link in your answer.

    Definition of straw man
    1.1a sham argument set up to be defeated.
    Thus the user of the straw man fallacy exposes their own tendency to incorrectly categorize their opponent.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/straw-man?

  85. Torcer says:

    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman

  86. Torcer says:

    Strawman misrepresentation I

    Ah yes, the Old standby – the strawman misrepresentation:

    Strawman Definition
    A fallacy in which an opponent’s argument is overstated or misrepresented in order to be more easily attacked or refuted.
    http://grammar.about.com/od/rs/g/strawmanterm.htm


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    It’s supposedly Not a

  87. Torcer says:

    “Limiting government is the single most important instrument for guaranteeing liberty.” – Dr. Walter Williams

  88. Torcer says:

    “Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.” – Robert Heinlein

  89. Torcer says:

    A democracy is two wolves and a small lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
    – Benjamin Franklin

  90. Torcer says:

    Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever-expanding union of the workers. This union is helped on by the improved means of communication that are created by modern industry and that place the workers of different localities in contact with one another. It was just this contact that was needed to centralise the numerous local struggles, all of the same character, into one national struggle between classes. But every class struggle is a political struggle. And that union, to attain which the burghers of the Middle Ages, with their miserable highways, required centuries, the modern proletarians, thanks to railways, achieve in a few years.

    The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 18.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

  91. Torcer says:

    If representatives betray their constituents, there is no recourse left
    but in the exertion of that right of self-defense… – Hamilton

  92. Torcer says:

    “Crash programs fail because they are based on the theory that, with
    nine women pregnant, you can get a baby a month.” Wernher Von Braun

  93. Torcer says:

    “Limiting government is the single most important instrument for guaranteeing liberty.” – Dr. Walter Williams

  94. Torcer says:

    “Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.” – Robert Heinlein

  95. Torcer says:

    A democracy is two wolves and a small lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
    – Benjamin Franklin

  96. Torcer says:

    Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever-expanding union of the workers. This union is helped on by the improved means of communication that are created by modern industry and that place the workers of different localities in contact with one another. It was just this contact that was needed to centralise the numerous local struggles, all of the same character, into one national struggle between classes. But every class struggle is a political struggle. And that union, to attain which the burghers of the Middle Ages, with their miserable highways, required centuries, the modern proletarians, thanks to railways, achieve in a few years.

    The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 18.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

  97. Torcer says:

    Definition of red herring
    1 A dried smoked herring, which is turned red by the smoke.
    2 A clue or piece of information which is or is intended to be misleading or distracting:
    ‘the argument about women’s choices is largely a red herring’
    [So named from the practice of using the scent of red herring in training hounds]
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/red-herring?

  98. Torcer says:

    “Crash programs fail because they are based on the theory that, with
    nine women pregnant, you can get a baby a month.” Wernher Von Braun

  99. Torcer says:

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
    exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves
    largess out of the public treasury.”
    Alexander Tytler

  100. Torcer says:

    Outright Denial of reality isn’t argument.

    Definition of denial
    1.3 Refusal to acknowledge an unacceptable truth or emotion or to admit it into consciousness, used as a defence mechanism
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/denial

    Denial isn’t an argument.

  101. Torcer says:

    “A hand from Washington will be stretched out and placed upon every man’s business; the eye of the Federal inspector will be in every man’s counting house… The law will of necessity have inquisitorial features, it will provide penalties, it will create complicated machinery. Under it men will be hailed into courts distant from their homes. Heavy fines imposed by distant and unfamiliar tribunals will constantly menace the tax payer. An army of Federal inspectors, spies and detectives will descend upon the state… Who of us who have had knowledge of the doings of the Federal officials in the Internal Revenue Service can be blind to what will follow?” – Richard E. Byrd, speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates, arguing against the 16th Amendment which authorized the Federal Income Tax

  102. Torcer says:

    “The secret to success is to own nothing, but control everything.” Nelson Rockefeller

  103. Torcer says:

    It’s often been my experience that those who use such pejoratives are quite often merely projecting.

    Definition of troll
    Pronunciation: /trōl/
    1 informal make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them: if people are obviously trolling then I’ll delete your posts and do my best to ban you [with object]:you folks taking this opportunity to troll me, you really need to reassess your values in your life
    1a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting.
    informal a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting.
    Origin:late Middle English (in the sense ‘stroll, roll’): origin uncertain; compare with Old French troller ‘wander here and there (in search of game)’ and Middle High German trollen ‘stroll’
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/troll-2

    Those who use the term ‘troll’

  104. Torcer says:

    “The secret to success is to own nothing, but control everything.” Nelson Rockefeller

  105. Torcer says:

    When a great truth once gets abroad in the world, no power on earth can
    imprison it, or prescribe its limits, or suppress it. – F. Douglass

  106. Torcer says:

    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell

  107. Torcer says:

    Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie.

    Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 22.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

  108. Torcer says:

    The idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right. – Thomas Jefferson

  109. Torcer says:

    When a great truth once gets abroad in the world, no power on earth can
    imprison it, or prescribe its limits, or suppress it. – F. Douglass

  110. Torcer says:

    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell

  111. Torcer says:

    Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie.

    Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 22.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

  112. Torcer says:

    I find it very interesting that you should hurl that baseless accusation given the fact that Trump is favoured by the national Socialist Left.

    …………………………………………………………………..
    Leftist accusation

  113. Torcer says:

    In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?

    Ronald Reagan First Inaugural Address 20 January 1981

  114. Torcer says:

    I’m not doing this for ‘Upvotes’

    I’m not doing this for accolades.

    I’m doing this because I want to see Liberty preserved.
    Thus I engage the national Socialist Left on their ‘turf’ – and receive no ‘Upvotes’ for doing so…
    I also have pre-formatted facts at the ready in dealing with such people and – and receive no ‘Upvotes’ for doing so…
    I also try to spread word of important news events and articles to keep other informed..

    So what have YOU done to do the same?
    Or do you just sit here and complain about others all day long?

    I’m not doing this for ‘Upvotes’

    I’m not doing this for ‘Upvotes’

  115. Torcer says:

    Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.
    Ayn Rand

  116. Torcer says:

    “Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
    Thomas J. Jackson

  117. Torcer says:

    Still talking I see… Go ahead… Knock yourself out. When you actually make any kind of a valid, logical point I’ll jump back in. Until then… Enjoy the sound of yourself talking to yourself.

    Still talking I see

    Still talking I see

  118. Torcer says:

    “Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible.”
    Thomas J. Jackson

  119. Torcer says:

    A revolution is impossible without a revolutionary situation; furthermore, not every revolutionary situation leads to revolution. Vladimir Lenin

  120. Torcer says:

    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

  121. Torcer says:

    A revolution is impossible without a revolutionary situation; furthermore, not every revolutionary situation leads to revolution. Vladimir Lenin

  122. Torcer says:

    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

  123. Torcer says:

    “If the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the
    whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme
    Court,” wrote Abraham Lincoln, “the people will have ceased to be their
    own rulers.”

  124. Torcer says:

    “If the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the
    whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme
    Court,” wrote Abraham Lincoln, “the people will have ceased to be their
    own rulers.”

  125. Torcer says:

    Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.” – Thomas Paine, Common Sense 1776

  126. Torcer says:

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

  127. Torcer says:

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

  128. Torcer says:

    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton

  129. Torcer says:

    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.
    “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”

  130. Torcer says:

    Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.” – Thomas Paine, Common Sense 1776

  131. Torcer says:

    “When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.”

    Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand

  132. Torcer says:

    When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. Thomas Jefferson

  133. Torcer says:

    Never waste a good crisis Hillary Clinton

  134. Torcer says:

    “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste,” Rahm Emanuel.
    “This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before.”

  135. Torcer says:

    “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity. – Wendell Phillips, speech in Boston, Massachusetts, January 28, 1852.”

  136. Torcer says:

    Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel. – Ayn Rand

  137. Torcer says:

    Comment Reference

    Ad hominem attacks II

    Ad hominem attacks III

    Denial isn’t an argument.

    ………………………………………………………………………
    Strawman misrepresentation II

    Those who use the term ‘troll’

  138. Torcer says:

    “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress
    to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience;
    or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable
    citizens, from keeping their own arms; …” – Samuel Adams, Philadelphia
    Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the
    Convention of this State”

  139. Torcer says:

    “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress
    to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience;
    or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable
    citizens, from keeping their own arms; …” – Samuel Adams, Philadelphia
    Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, “Propositions submitted to the
    Convention of this State”

  140. Torcer says:

    In certain basic respects – a totalitarian state structure, a single
    party, a leader, a secret police, a hatred of political, cultural and
    intellectual freedom – fascism and communism are clearly more like each
    other than they are like anything in between.

    Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., Associate Professor of History at Harvard.

  141. Torcer says:

    In certain basic respects – a totalitarian state structure, a single
    party, a leader, a secret police, a hatred of political, cultural and
    intellectual freedom – fascism and communism are clearly more like each
    other than they are like anything in between.

    Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., Associate Professor of History at Harvard.

  142. Torcer says:

    “Supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.” — Sun Tzu

  143. Torcer says:

    Fallacies of Argument
    A fallacy is a flaw in logic that occurs when making an argument. These happen frequently and can not only destroy an argument, but harm the credibility of the person making the argument.

    Loaded Question:
    Here, the writer asks a question in such a way that an unjustified or unfound assumption is a part of the question. The questions usually imply something negative about their subjects, though they might be used to suggest a positive answer about the subject if the writer wants the reader to be favourably disposed towards the subject.
    Ex. At what point did the oil company decide it wanted to destroy our beautiful wilderness?
    https://cstudies.ubc.ca/student-information/services/self-directed-writing-resources/argument/fallacies-argument

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    loaded question
    You asked a question that had a presumption built into it so that it couldn’t be answered without appearing guilty.

    Loaded question fallacies are particularly effective at derailing rational debates because of their inflammatory nature – the recipient of the loaded question is compelled to defend themselves and may appear flustered or on the back foot.
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question

  144. Torcer says:

    Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel. – Ayn Rand

  145. Torcer says:

    Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel. – Ayn Rand

  146. Torcer says:

    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus

  147. Torcer says:

    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus

  148. Torcer says:

    “We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word many mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name- liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.”
    Abraham Lincoln
    Source:April 18, 1864 – Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, Maryland

  149. Torcer says:

    “We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word many mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name- liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.”
    Abraham Lincoln
    Source:April 18, 1864 – Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, Maryland

  150. Torcer says:

    “The only reason for not tarring and feathering any government official for effrontery when they tell us what to do is that their power to do so is somehow legitimate. But that legitimacy comes from the exercise of constitutional power. If the Constitution doesn’t mean anything, well, then, maybe it’s time to go long on pitchforks. Because without the Constitution the angry mob is just as legitimate as the perfumed princes of the state.”
    Josh Blackman

  151. Torcer says:

    Definition of opinion
    noun
    1A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge:‘that, in my opinion, is right’

    3 a matter of opinion
    Something not capable of being proven either way:‘Claim 3 might be dismissed as a matter of opinion, not a matter of knowledge.’
    Origin
    Middle English: via Old French from Latin opinio(n-), from the stem of opinari ‘think, believe’.
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/opinion


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    Definition of opinion
    noun
    1A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge:‘that, in my opinion, is right’
    ‘ the area’s residents share vociferous opinions about the future’
    ‘ In fact, in my opinion, in the future you are either going to have to be very large or very small in this business.’
    ‘In fact, in my opinion, the attitude of the authorities has simply worsened.’
    ‘The two, in my opinion, aren’t necessarily related in the short term.’
    Synonyms
    belief, judgement, thought(s), school of thought, thinking, way of thinking, mind, point of view, view, viewpoint, outlook, angle, slant, side, attitude, stance, perspective, position, standpoint;
    theory, tenet, conclusion, verdict, estimation, thesis, hypothesis, feeling, sentiment, impression, reflections, idea, notion, assumption, speculation, conception, conviction, contention, persuasion, creed, dogma
    as I see it, in my view, to my mind, (according) to my way of thinking, from my standpoint, personally, in my estimation, in my judgement, in my book, for my money, if you ask me
    1.1 [mass noun] The beliefs or views of a group or majority of people: ‘the changing climate of opinion’
    ‘The traditional view, and I’m sure the majority of opinion supports it, is that the Attorney-General does have a role.’
    ‘It went through six printings in its first year, but its effect on majority opinion was, for many years to come, negligible.’
    ‘The larger denomination coins and the notes are being spent but the vast majority of opinion regards them as having little spending power.’
    1.2An estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something: ‘I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved’
    ‘They generally did not have a high opinion of the quality of audited financial statements issued by the balance of Bulgarian companies.’
    ‘I didn’t want to be honest with her as to my opinion of the quality of that statement, so I said nothing in reply.’

    2A statement of advice by an expert on a professional matter: ‘if in doubt, get a second opinion’
    ‘The same guidance applies if you are seeking a second opinion from another NHS professional, such as a dentist.’
    ‘But that’s the problem for media, where most who profess to provide expert opinions have a vested interest one way or another.’
    ‘Maybe some professional expert opinions are in order here.’

    2.1 Law A barrister’s advice on the merits of a case: ‘the solicitor took counsel’s opinion’
    ‘How does that fit in with the liability of, say, a solicitor for giving advice, or a barrister for giving chambers opinions?’
    ‘What you are told here is that the matters were referred to the legal assistance referral scheme for merit opinions which were not favourable to the clients.’
    ‘The Committee issues a consensus opinion though individual opinions on the merits may be added if members of the Committee so desire.’

    2.2 Law A formal statement of reasons for a judgement given: ‘a dissenting opinion adjudged that the government had the right to protect ‘the symbolic value of the flag’
    ‘For all of these reasons, the plurality opinion is open to criticism.’
    ‘In his sentencing opinion, Judge Moore said that to sentence him as an adult would mean giving up on the juvenile justice system.’
    ‘It might be refreshing, though, to have a Supreme Court Justice who writes opinions with critical comments directed at himself.’
    Phrases
    1 be of the opinion that
    Believe or maintain that: ‘the complainant being of the opinion that this provided grounds for legal proceedings’
    ‘Most of them were of the opinion that more such programmes should be organised to help the students develop their skills to build a better career.’
    ‘They were of the opinion that at least people who drink should consider the difficulties they cause and the families they break.’
    ‘The developers were of the opinion that there were no planning issues involved in the proposed change of use.’
    Synonyms
    believe, think, consider, maintain, imagine, be of the view, reckon, guess, estimate, conjecture, fancy, suspect, feel, have a/the feeling, assume, presume, take it, suppose, expect, gather;
    contend, put forward, be convinced, be of the conviction, reason, deduce, conclude, theorize, hypothesize, take as a hypothesis
    North American informal allow
    formal opine
    archaic ween
    View synonyms
    2 difference of opinion
    A disagreement or mild quarrel: ‘there was a difference of opinion between myself and the chief planner’
    ‘The debates were on issues, not about race – there may have been differences of opinion.’
    ‘I want to add a brief response to Andrew’s characterization of his differences of opinion with us.’
    ‘France’s labour unions have generally been supportive of the 35-hour initiative, with some differences of opinion on key issues.’

    3 a matter of opinion
    Something not capable of being proven either way: ‘relativism tends to regard different beliefs as just a matter of opinion’
    ‘That’s a matter of opinion, no matter how outrageous.’
    ‘Claim 3 might be dismissed as a matter of opinion, not a matter of knowledge.’
    ‘The extent of flooding is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.’
    Synonyms
    open to question, a debatable point, debatable, open to debate, a moot point, open to/for discussion, up to the individual
    Origin
    Middle English: via Old French from Latin opinio(n-), from the stem of opinari ‘think, believe’.
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/opinion

  152. Torcer says:

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
    exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves
    largess out of the public treasury.”
    Alexander Tytler

  153. Torcer says:

    loaded question
    You asked a question that had a presumption built into it so that it couldn’t be answered without appearing guilty.

    Loaded question fallacies are particularly effective at derailing rational debates because of their inflammatory nature – the recipient of the loaded question is compelled to defend themselves and may appear flustered or on the back foot.
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question

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    loaded question
    You asked a question that had a presumption built into it so that it couldn’t be answered without appearing guilty.

    Loaded question fallacies are particularly effective at derailing rational debates because of their inflammatory nature – the recipient of the loaded question is compelled to defend themselves and may appear flustered or on the back foot.

    Example: Grace and Helen were both romantically interested in Brad. One day, with Brad sitting within earshot, Grace asked in an inquisitive tone whether Helen was having any problems with a drug habit.
    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question

  154. Torcer says:

    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

  155. Torcer says:

    Loaded question
    A loaded question is a question that presupposes a disputed claim or indulges in circular reasoning. Closely related to this is the complex claim, which is a loaded question expressed as a statement rather than as a question.
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Loaded_question

  156. Torcer says:

    “A hand from Washington will be stretched out and placed upon every man’s business; the eye of the Federal inspector will be in every man’s counting house… The law will of necessity have inquisitorial features, it will provide penalties, it will create complicated machinery. Under it men will be hailed into courts distant from their homes. Heavy fines imposed by distant and unfamiliar tribunals will constantly menace the tax payer. An army of Federal inspectors, spies and detectives will descend upon the state… Who of us who have had knowledge of the doings of the Federal officials in the Internal Revenue Service can be blind to what will follow?” – Richard E. Byrd, speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates, arguing against the 16th Amendment which authorized the Federal Income Tax

  157. Torcer says:

    Loaded question

    A loaded question is a question that presupposes a disputed claim or indulges in circular reasoning. Closely related to this is the complex claim, which is a loaded question expressed as a statement rather than as a question.

    Elements of a Loaded Question or Complex Claim

    The loaded-question fallacy involves the presentation of a question (or an optative, conditional, or other subjunctive statement) together with one or more additional claims of unsettled truthfulness. The respondent, if he answers the question or statement with a simple affirmative or negative, risks indicating his assent to these other claims when he might not so agree.
    Examples
    The classic example of a loaded question is “Have you stopped beating your wife?” A simple “yes” or “no” answer would imply an admission that the responder was engaged in spousal abuse.

    The above illustrates the use of the loaded question as innuendo. But a loaded question can mask other, simpler logical fallacies, including proof by authority or numbers.
    Remedy

    A complex claim demands a complex counterclaim or other response. This is no less true if the claim is in the form of a question. Even if the question appears simple, it isn’t if it contains an unsettled or disputed claim. The proper response is to address each claim made separately, and declare it to be valid or invalid.
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Loaded_question

  158. Torcer says:

    “For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is
    the very definition of slavery.” – Jonathan Swift (1667-1745)

  159. Torcer says:

    “Today I’m pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end of my first term in office.” – Obama, 23 February 2009

  160. Torcer says:

    “For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is
    the very definition of slavery.” – Jonathan Swift (1667-1745)

  161. Torcer says:

    Definition of circular
    adjective
    1Having the form of a circle: the building features a circular atrium
    1.1(Of a movement or journey) starting and finishing at the same place and often following roughly the circumference of an imaginary circle: a circular walk
    2 Logic (Of an argument) already containing an assumption of what is to be proved, and therefore fallacious.
    ‘the reality of standard English rests on the circular argument that that is good which good users use.
    ‘This is a classic circular argument, in which the conclusion is already present in the premise.’
    ‘These estimates can be highly biased and produce a circular argument.’
    ‘Such a circular argument, which relies on its own suppositions as proof, can be used to justify anything.’
    Origin
    Late Middle English: from Old French circulier, from late Latin circularis, from Latin circulus ‘small ring’ (see circle).
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/circular?

  162. Torcer says:

    The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society. – Mark Skousen

  163. Torcer says:

    “You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
    reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very
    phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for
    independence.” Charles A. Beard, Historian (1874-1948)

  164. Torcer says:

    The idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right. – Thomas Jefferson

  165. Torcer says:

    The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society. – Mark Skousen

  166. Torcer says:

    “You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
    reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very
    phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for
    independence.” Charles A. Beard, Historian (1874-1948)

  167. Torcer says:

    The idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right. – Thomas Jefferson

  168. Torcer says:

    “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity. – Wendell Phillips, speech in Boston, Massachusetts, January 28, 1852.”

  169. Torcer says:

    “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity. – Wendell Phillips, speech in Boston, Massachusetts, January 28, 1852.”

  170. Torcer says:

    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together
    in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal
    system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it.”
    Frederic Bastiat

  171. Torcer says:

    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields”

  172. Torcer says:

    “When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together
    in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal
    system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it.”
    Frederic Bastiat

  173. Torcer says:

    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields”

  174. Torcer says:

    “Collectivism doesn’t work because it’s based on a faulty economic
    premise. There is no such thing as a person’s “fair share” of wealth.
    The gross national product is not a pizza that must be carefully divided
    because if I get too many slices, you have to eat the box. The economy
    is expandable and, in any practical sense, limitless.” – P.J. O’Rourke

  175. Torcer says:

    “Collectivism doesn’t work because it’s based on a faulty economic
    premise. There is no such thing as a person’s “fair share” of wealth.
    The gross national product is not a pizza that must be carefully divided
    because if I get too many slices, you have to eat the box. The economy
    is expandable and, in any practical sense, limitless.” – P.J. O’Rourke

  176. Torcer says:

    “If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” –James Madison (considered the “father” of our Constitution)

  177. Torcer says:

    The goal of socialism is communism.
    Vladimir Lenin

  178. Torcer says:

    The goal of socialism is communism.
    Vladimir Lenin

  179. Torcer says:

    In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?

    Ronald Reagan First Inaugural Address 20 January 1981

  180. Torcer says:

    In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?

    Ronald Reagan First Inaugural Address 20 January 1981

  181. Torcer says:

    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus

  182. Torcer says:

    Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet. – James Mattis

  183. Torcer says:

    If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there’d be a shortage of sand. – Milton Friedman

  184. Torcer says:

    The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society. – Mark Skousen

  185. Torcer says:

    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus

  186. Torcer says:

    Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet. – James Mattis

    Guest

  187. Torcer says:

    If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there’d be a shortage of sand. – Milton Friedman

  188. Torcer says:

    The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society. – Mark Skousen

  189. Torcer says:

    The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama Presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their President. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Barack Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America.

    Blaming the Prince of Fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President. –Author Unknown

  190. Torcer says:

    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields”

  191. Torcer says:

    An open letter to those who support Trump.
    And we all you know who you are.

    Those of you who support Trump and still consider yourselves to be patriotic have a duty to carefully consider the evidence at hand on what is going on in the party.
    First of all, you need to carefully think about why up to 12 Million Democrats temporarily crossed over to support Trump during the primaries. And you have to consider why a hostile press supported Trump with free airtime during this time period.
    Note that similar events took place in previous elections with disastrous results.
    Second, you also have a duty to thoughtfully reflect on the fact that most polls and analysis shown Trump losing in an electoral bloodbath.
    Again, in recent presidential elections the polls and analysis indicated a certain result and that was borne out in the election.
    Third, There is also the very strange case of a presidential candidate taking action against his own interests, making unforced errors such as the attacks on the judge in the Trump U fraud case or espousing policy positions directly opposite to Conservative principles e.g. raising taxes and denigrating the 2nd amendment.

    These events should be bothersome to all of those who support Trump and yet many do not care.
    One can debate certain parts of these events, but it is reckless to dismiss them in their entirety.

    These are very dangerous aspects that should serve as a big flashing WARNING sign to Trump supporters – if they were interested in winning. And yet some supporters dismiss these items without a second thought – Why?

    Ask yourself these questions:
    Why would the Democrats desperately want Trump to be the nominee?
    Why are some Trump supporters not bothered the polling and analysis that shows him losing in an electoral disaster of epic proportions?
    Why are some Trump supporters not alarmed by his actions that sabotage his own campaign?

    The purpose of this open letter is to plead with those who support Trump to consider the evidence at hand and help avoid setting a temporary mistake in stone that very well could be the grave marker for the party.. and the nation as constituted.

    This is specifically directed at those who in the past have championed the Conservative cause: Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Matt Drudge….. Like many others, I had been a loyal fan and listener to your programs and books over the years. So you people above all others need to consider the evidence in front of you and make the right decision.

    The evidence I have presented should be the impetus for you to reconsider your support for Trump.

    To be blunt about it: There is no rational point to supporting a candidate who will lose and take down the rest of the party with him. As previously stated, there are some in the Trump movement who are immune to facts and reality. Thus, there is only one logical conclusion for their actions and that is to have him lose and help Comrade Clinton win.

    But those of you who can process this evidence with a clear mind should be able to make this determination on your own.

    Those of you in the formerly Conservative media can find redemption in what you do now. You along with every other true patriots in the Trump camp should be taking the following steps:
    1. Seriously consider the evidence at hand and reconsider your support for Trump.
    2. Be mindful of the distinct possibility of a down ballot apocalypse IF Trumps remains on the ticket.
    [And no, it does not matter that this means we will lose – at least with Trump OFF the ticket we have a chance to win and a good chance to keep control of Congress]
    4. Implore Trump to drop out of this farce and let someone qualified take over in his stead.
    5. At a minimum you have to encourage and support those who want to #FreetheDelegates and #DumpTrump and let the people decide with the current facts as they stand.
    Bottom line: You have to do everything in your power to reverse the horrendous circumstance of Trump nomination and lose in the general election.

    I cannot make any guarantees as to how history will judge you, but I can assure that you will not be lauded if you stay on your current path.

    You are at a crossroads, stay with Trump down the dark path and you will be marching off to oblivion. Turn against this destination of doom and help save the party and the country and you may be able to continue as you have in the past. Because if he is nominated your fate will be tied to his and those who cannot dwell in reality or worse yet, those who want a Trump disaster.

    It is your choice.
    It will not be easy, but doing the right thing never is.

  192. Torcer says:

    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields”

  193. Torcer says:

    “Understand one thing……You can make laws against weapons but they will
    be observed only by those who don’t intend to use them anyway. The
    lawless can always smuggle or steal, or even make a gun. By refusing to
    wear a gun you allow the criminal to operate with impunity.” – Louis
    L’Amour

  194. Torcer says:

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

  195. Torcer says:

    Fallacies of Argument

    Some Common Fallacies

    A fallacy is a flaw in logic that occurs when making an argument. These happen frequently and can not only destroy an argument, but harm the credibility of the person making the argument. Learning the common fallacies will help you to both avoid them in your own writing and recognize them in the work of others, which will benefit you as a writer, researcher, and critical thinker.

    Below are some of the more common fallacies that show up in student writing. As you read through these, keep in mind that the examples show only some forms that these fallacies can take. The more practice you get looking for and avoiding fallacies, the easier it will be to recognize these flaws in any form they may take.

    Evading the Issue:
    To produce this fallacy, a writer avoids the central point of an argument, instead drawing attention to a minor (or side) issue. This is sometimes done intentionally, in order to draw the reader away from a weak argument or to disguise what the writer is really suggesting, but it may also be the result of a poorly organized paragraph or essay.

    Ex. You’ve put through a proposal that will cut overall loan benefits for students and drastically raise interest rates, but then you focus on how the system will be set up to process loan applications for students more quickly.

    Ex. You oppose an oil pipeline going through British Columbia, but instead of focusing on reasons why it would be a bad idea, you discuss the number of bald eagles that live in and migrate through British Columbia each year.
    Ad hominem:
    Here, the writer attacks a person’s character, physical appearance, or personal habits instead of addressing the central issues of an argument. This type of attack sometimes comes in the form of character assassination (especially in politics). Before looking at a person’s character/personal traits rather than ideas and policies, one must be positive that those personal traits actually play a role in the argument. Otherwise, they are distracting and a way of evading the issue or distracting readers.

    Ex. A group of executives wants to oppose electing a new board member because he has been through four messy divorces due to his infidelity; his experience and background, however, would make him an ideal candidate for the open place.

    Ex. You are putting together a campaign for a friend to be elected as president of the student council. You suggest that he would be a better representative than the competition because he is good looking and photogenic, while the other candidate is not.

    Ex. You read in a music review that Lady Gaga can’t be taken seriously as a musical artist because of how she dresses.

    Keep in mind, however, that character/personality are sometimes relevant to an argument. For example, one could make a strong and logically sound argument against hiring a candidate who has a record of taking bribes to be in charge of the finance for a campaign.
    Genetic Fallacy:

    This fallacy looks at where a person or idea originated, rather than the person or idea itself.

    Ex. Susan shouldn’t be put in charge of this project. How can anyone born and raised in the tiny town of Dundas ON understand the problems/complexities of the transit system in a city as large as Vancouver?

    Ex. A writer suggests that film critiques by Roger Ebert aren’t valid for an international audience since he is a critic from the United States.

    On the other hand, there are times when where a writer or idea originates might tie into and have an impact on the validity of the argument. If context is a key component of the argument, it would not be fallacious reasoning to discuss whether or not an idea is valid based on its place of origin. This comes into play frequently in papers dealing with topics in the liberal arts. For example, if you were to write a paper about Canadian interpretations of American action films, dismissing a review by Roger Ebert because he is offering an American interpretation, rather than a Canadian one, would be valid.
    Ad populum:

    This type of argument uses illegitimate emotional appeal, drawing on people’s emotions, prejudices, and stereotypes. The emotion evoked here is not supported by sufficient, reliable, and trustworthy sources. Ad populum tends to appeal to the general population and may take a “lowest common denominator” approach. You will see this frequently in arguments dealing with community or civic interests as well as advertising.

    Ex. A commentator on a conservative talk show suggests that women should have to undergo more rigorous job interview procedures than their male counterparts because they are more emotional, likely to need maternity leave, easily distracted, and other reasons that play to sexist stereotypes of women.

    Ex. A classmate writes a paper suggesting that smoking needs to be outlawed because smoking creates people who have bad teeth, bad breath, poor health, and impose secondhand smoke on those around them.
    Hasty Generalization:
    A hasty generalization is based on insufficient, unreliable, and unverifiable evidence. This is a common fallacy in student writing, to the point where many writing instructors take special care to discuss it in class. It is easy to fall into this fallacy based on direct observation and limited research, as it may seem like a complete picture is presented from just a few snapshots. To avoid this fallacy, be sure that you have done thorough research in a variety of sources that offer differing perspectives on the issue you are discussing.

    Ex. Based on your student community at UBC, you write a paper suggesting that Canada is the model the world should follow for immigrant and cultural relations. Although there are communities and cities within Canada that would provide further examples to uphold this idea, there are places in Canada where relations are strained and poor. Generalizing for the whole nation based on an individual example makes for a weak argument.

    Ex. You read a source that says violent video games cause violence in communities, based on an isolated incident where a teen who played violent video games brought a gun to school.

    Ex. A speaker tells the audience that women over 40 who are having a baby for the first time make the best mothers, based on the fact that many of the women in his workplace were first-time mothers in their 40s and they have avoided making parenting “mistakes” that he has observed in younger mothers.
    Loaded Question:

    Here, the writer asks a question in such a way that an unjustified or unfound assumption is a part of the question. The questions usually imply something negative about their subjects, though they might be used to suggest a positive answer about the subject if the writer wants the reader to be favourably disposed towards the subject.

    Ex. At what point did the oil company decide it wanted to destroy our beautiful wilderness?

    Ex. You are opposed to another fast food restaurant opening on campus, so you write, “It is unclear when UBC stopped caring about the health of its students, but this new restaurant shows that this lack of care continues.” Note that the loaded question fallacy can take the form of an implied question, rather than one that is asked directly.

    Ex. Why should the charitable work of celebrities go unnoticed and un-praised, just because they are famous?
    Gambler’s Fallacy:

    This issue assumes that the chances of something happening increases because it hasn’t happened for a long time. This type of fallacy disregards the law of probability.

    Ex. Let me handle this next sales pitch. My losing streak has to end at some point.
    Setting up a Straw Person (commonly referred to as “straw man”):

    Here you address the weakest point of an opponent’s argument, instead of focusing on a main issue. Or, you imply that an opponent is arguing something that he/she is not.

    Ex. An instructor argues that in order to do well in a composition course, you have to work hard outside of class, and practice your writing. A classmate responds by saying that not everyone can afford to pay a tutor.
    Red Herring:

    This type of fallacy manipulates the audience by avoiding the central argument, shifting attention to an irrelevant or unrelated issue. The user of a red herring intends to distract the audience from the important issues. Unlike the “evading the issue” fallacy, this one intentionally sets up a distraction rather than simply focusing on another aspect of the issue besides the one being argued.

    Ex. A teacher accused of taking bribes might answer that he/she devotes many overtime hours in order to prepare her/his class material. In doing so, the teacher will start to make the argument seem to be about her/his level of preparedness, rather than the issue at hand.

    Ex. You want to convince your brother to loan you money, but he knows that you plan to use it for an upcoming camping trip and he says no. You respond by saying that it is difficult for a student to make money because work/study programs limit hours, and then go on to talk about the difficulties of balancing work and school.
    Slippery Slope:

    This fallacy takes an issue or event and escalates potential effects unrealistically. This happens frequently in advertising (“buy our product and all the girls will love you – don’t buy our product and you will be a social outcast”) and in arguments related to politics and causes.

    Ex. If we keep adding Starbucks locations in Vancouver, they will have a complete monopoly and that will open the door for other corporate monopolies in the food and retail sectors. Soon, Vancouver will have only the same few businesses, block after block, and the economy of the city will be destroyed.
    Lack of Contrary Evidence (also known as an appeal to ignorance):

    This is an easy mistake to make if you haven’t done strong research or if you are basing your argument on an incomplete understanding of the issue. It indicates that something must be true because it has never been proven to be false. This fallacy is common in persuasion that deals with social, political, and cultural issues.

    Ex. The Loch Ness monster must exist because no one has ever proven that it doesn’t.

    Ex. The Loch Ness monster must not exist because no one has ever proven that it does.

    Ex. Sarah would be an ideal candidate for this job because she’s never failed at managing a store (when, in fact, there is no data to show that she has ever worked at a store, much less managing one).
    Oversimplification:

    This occurs when you avoid the complexities of an argument, or ignore the larger implications of the ideas being put forward. Like most of the fallacies listed here, this can happen based on insufficient research and preparation or on purpose to manipulate an audience. The latter happens frequently in political arguments.

    Ex. Mandatory sentencing for heroin users will quickly put an end to heroin addiction.

    Ex. Development in the mountains of British Columbia needs to stop if humans and black bears are to live in harmony.

    Ex. Violent video games cause violent teens.
    Bandwagon:

    This is a type of the ad populum fallacy in that it draws on our irrational fears of being left out of “the group.” Humans generally want to feel like they “belong”, so this can impact readers on an emotional level. This fallacy also appeals to the idea that if a majority of the population does or believes something, it must be right or beneficial.

    Ex. Every Torontonian needs to be cheering for the Toronto Maple Leafs hockey team in the playoffs, even when the team has played dismally all season.

    Ex. Sixty percent of people living in Kitsilano want to cut back on corporate businesses in their neighbourhood, so corporate businesses should think about moving away from Vancouver.
    Ad Misericordiam:

    This type of argument uses illegitimate emotional appeal to beg for mercy. It plays on the compassion of the audience. The plea is based on emotion, rather than on logic.)

    Ex. Pleading with an instructor for an “A” on a paper, not because it’s a good paper, but because you need a certain grade in the class to keep a scholarship.

    Ex. A company denies that their CEO should be indicted for fraud because, although he handled the company’s money unethically, he is a loving husband and fantastic father to his three little girls.
    Ad Verecundiam (“to authority”):

    This is appealing to weak (inappropriate) authority, or arguing that we should continue doing something because it’s tradition. Like ad misericordiam and others are illegitimate uses of emotional appeal, this is an illegitimate appeal to tradition.

    Ex. We should get completely drunk on Canada Day because we’ve done it since we were teenagers.

    Ex. My English teacher says that Stephen Hawking’s writing contain everything a person could want to know about astrophysics, so his books should form the basis for the curriculum in astrophysics courses at universities.
    Tu Quoque (“you too”):

    This is where you accuse an opponent of the same thing he/she has accused you of (instead of addressing the accusation itself). This fallacy avoids addressing the issue by reflecting blame back onto the other party. Although this appears in debates and other forms of published, widely-available persuasion, it is perhaps most familiar from the everyday arguments people get into with each other.

    Ex.
    accusation: “You should exercise.”
    reply: “Well, I don’t see you working out”
    .

    Ex.
    accusation: “You need to make more sustainable choices in your daily life.”
    reply: “Last time I was at your house, you had all the lights in every room on, and it wasn’t even dark yet.”

    Begging the Question:

    This is a type of circular reasoning where you use your own claim to support the claim. This is much like saying that a certain book is the authority on film studies because the book itself claims to be the authority on film studies.

    Ex. This vital legislation on Aboriginal Peoples must pass now. (Assumes that the legislation is vital.)

    Ex. I can vouch for the authenticity of this antique jewellery that I am selling.
    Non Sequitor (also known as Guilt by Association):

    In this type of reasoning, the conclusion does not follow from the premises set out in the argument.

    Ex. All drug dealers conduct their business in East Vancouver. Danny conducts his business in East Vancouver. Therefore, Danny must be a drug dealer.

    Ex. Americans love ranch dressing. Aziz loves ranch dressing. Therefore, Aziz is an American.

    Ex. Corporate workers wear suits to work. Pang wears a suit to work. Therefore, Pang is a corporate worker.
    False Dichotomy:

    Offers only two alternatives when more than two alternatives exist. This is used frequently in political arguments, especially over sensitive or divisive issues. For example, in the United States it is common to see arguments suggesting that either abortion should be outlawed or parents will start murdering their children if their children become burdensome to them. This example includes slippery slope, as well; often, the two fallacies go together.

    Ex. An angry person suggests that if you don’t like the way things work in Canada, you should just move to the United States.

    Ex. The sales person in the shoe store tells you that if you don’t buy the boots you are trying on, you can count on wet feet in the winter.
    False Cause/Effect:

    This fallacy claims that certain causes or effects are linked to a specific event, without clear evidence to show that this is the case.

    Ex. On the same night as one of the International Fireworks Competition displays, a nearby balcony catches on fire. This is a coincidence, though one might assume that the fireworks were to blame because of the timing of the fire and the inherent dangers of fireworks. However, closer inspection would show that not only were the fireworks fired from a barge in English Bay, there were no strong winds to carry embers from the display to the city. The fire would have come from some other cause, which would be revealed by further research and inspection; in this case, perhaps a lit cigarette wasn’t put out thoroughly or a grill was tipped over to cause the fire.
    https://cstudies.ubc.ca/student-information/services/self-directed-writing-resources/argument/fallacies-argument

  196. Torcer says:

    Definition of fact
    noun
    1A thing that is known or proved to be true: ‘the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas’
    [mass noun]: ‘a body of fact’
    ‘So go and see it with your own eyes and discover for yourself if it is an historical fact.’
    ‘It is a sad fact that when a litter of pigs is born, it is quite normal to have one or two born dead.’
    ‘ It is a fact that most of those who are on the street have an addiction to drugs or alcohol.’
    Synonyms
    reality, actuality, certainty, factuality, certitude, truth, naked truth, verity, gospel
    1.1 (facts) Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article: ‘even the most inventive journalism peters out without facts, and in this case there were no facts’
    ‘The primary facts thus are the evidence of the ceremony that is valid according to local law.’
    ‘In all cases, we have to distill the facts from the various reports and documents.’
    ‘Who knows what the true facts of this case are but there is certainly more to it than meets the eye.’

    Synonyms
    detail, piece of information, particular, item, specific, element, point, factor, feature, characteristic, respect, ingredient, attribute, circumstance, consideration, aspect, facet;
    (facts) information, itemized information, whole story
    informal info, gen, low-down, score, dope
    1.2 (the fact that) Used to refer to a particular situation under discussion: ‘despite the fact that I’m so tired, sleep is elusive’
    ‘The judge did not refer the jury to the fact that a mistaken witness can be a convincing one.’
    ‘It’s not the fact that to get to the crew room I have to go up two flights of stairs and down three.’
    ‘We want Kirklees Council to respect the fact that most of us want to stay on the estate.’
    1.3 [mass noun] chiefly Law The truth about events as opposed to interpretation: ‘there was a question of fact as to whether they had received the letter’
    ‘The Ombudsman is the sole judge of fact and he can only be corrected on errors of law.’
    ‘We would then have an opportunity for questions on a point of fact or a clarification.’
    ‘If the comment amounts to a statement of fact then it must be proved to be true or privileged.’
    Phrases
    2 facts and figures
    Precise details: ‘he presents the facts and figures of his case openly and honestly’
    5 the fact of the matter
    The truth: ‘the fact of the matter is that few such cases reach the magistrates’ courts’
    6 in (point of) fact
    Used to emphasize the truth of an assertion, especially one opposite to what might be expected or what has been asserted: ‘the brook trout is in fact a char’
    Synonyms
    actually, in actuality, in actual fact, really, in reality, in point of fact, as a matter of fact, in truth, if truth be told, to tell the truth, the truth is/was
    dated indeed, truly
    archaic in sooth, verily
    rare in the concrete
    View synonyms
    in fact, as a matter of fact, actually, in actual fact, really, in reality, as it happens, in truth, to tell the truth, truly
    Origin
    Late 15th century: from Latin factum, neuter past participle of facere ‘do’. The original sense was ‘an act’, later ‘a crime’, surviving in the phrase before (or after) the fact. The earliest of the current senses ( ‘truth, reality’) dates from the late 16th century.
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fact

  197. Torcer says:

    “Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property
    of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they
    put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon
    absolved from any farther obedience,
    and are left to the common refuge
    which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.” -John
    Locke

  198. Torcer says:

    Definition of fact
    noun
    1A thing that is known or proved to be true: ‘the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas’
    [mass noun]: ‘a body of fact’
    ‘So go and see it with your own eyes and discover for yourself if it is an historical fact.’
    Synonyms
    reality, actuality, certainty, factuality, certitude, truth, naked truth, verity, gospel
    1.1 (facts) Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article: ‘even the most inventive journalism peters out without facts, and in this case there were no facts’
    Synonyms
    detail, piece of information, particular, item, specific, element, point, factor, feature, characteristic, respect, ingredient, attribute, circumstance, consideration, aspect, facet;
    (facts) information, itemized information, whole story
    informal info, gen, low-down, score, dope
    1.3 [mass noun] chiefly Law The truth about events as opposed to interpretation: ‘there was a question of fact as to whether they had received the letter’
    Phrases
    2 facts and figures
    Precise details: ‘he presents the facts and figures of his case openly and honestly’
    5 the fact of the matter
    The truth: ‘the fact of the matter is that few such cases reach the magistrates’ courts’
    6 in (point of) fact
    Used to emphasize the truth of an assertion, especially one opposite to what might be expected or what has been asserted: ‘the brook trout is in fact a char’
    Synonyms
    actually, in actuality, in actual fact, really, in reality, in point of fact, as a matter of fact, in truth, if truth be told, to tell the truth, the truth is/was
    dated indeed, truly
    archaic in sooth, verily
    rare in the concrete
    View synonyms
    in fact, as a matter of fact, actually, in actual fact, really, in reality, as it happens, in truth, to tell the truth, truly
    Origin
    Late 15th century: from Latin factum, neuter past participle of facere ‘do’. The original sense was ‘an act’, later ‘a crime’, surviving in the phrase before (or after) the fact. The earliest of the current senses ( ‘truth, reality’) dates from the late 16th century.
    https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fact

  199. Torcer says:

    “The power to tax involves the power to destroy.” Chief Justice John Marshall

  200. Torcer says:

    “The power to tax involves the power to destroy.” Chief Justice John Marshall

  201. Torcer says:

    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.” W. C. Fields

  202. Torcer says:

    “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.” W. C. Fields
    ==========================================
    1. Your FAILURE to answer a basic question is unrelated to my abilities.

    2. Such childish behaviour is indicative of someone who has run out of intellectual sagacity.

  203. Torcer says:

    Volumes can be and have been written about the issue of freedom versus
    dictatorship, but, in essence, it comes down to a single question: do
    you consider it moral to treat men as sacrificial animals and to rule
    them by physical force? Ayn Rand

  204. Torcer says:

    Volumes can be and have been written about the issue of freedom versus
    dictatorship, but, in essence, it comes down to a single question: do
    you consider it moral to treat men as sacrificial animals and to rule
    them by physical force? Ayn Rand

  205. Torcer says:

    In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?

  206. Torcer says:

    In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. But if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else?

    Ronald Reagan First Inaugural Address 20 January 1981

  207. Torcer says:

    Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.
    Ayn Rand

  208. Torcer says:

    Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.
    Ayn Rand

  209. Torcer says:

    All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party. Mao Zedung

  210. Torcer says:

    All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party. Mao Zedung

  211. Torcer says:

    If representatives betray their constituents, there is no recourse left
    but in the exertion of that right of self-defense… – Hamilton

  212. Torcer says:

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
    exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves
    largess out of the public treasury.”
    Alexander Tytler

  213. Torcer says:

    If representatives betray their constituents, there is no recourse left
    but in the exertion of that right of self-defense… – Hamilton

  214. Torcer says:

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
    exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote themselves
    largess out of the public treasury.”
    Alexander Tytler

  215. Torcer says:

    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell

  216. Torcer says:

    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. – Thomas Sowell

  217. Torcer says:

    The idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right. – Thomas Jefferson

  218. Torcer says:

    The idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right. – Thomas Jefferson

  219. Torcer says:

    “Understand one thing……You can make laws against weapons but they will
    be observed only by those who don’t intend to use them anyway. The
    lawless can always smuggle or steal, or even make a gun. By refusing to
    wear a gun you allow the criminal to operate with impunity.” – Louis
    L’Amour

  220. Torcer says:

    “Understand one thing……You can make laws against weapons but they will
    be observed only by those who don’t intend to use them anyway. The
    lawless can always smuggle or steal, or even make a gun. By refusing to
    wear a gun you allow the criminal to operate with impunity.” – Louis
    L’Amour

  221. Torcer says:

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

  222. Torcer says:

    You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.”Joseph Stalin

  223. Torcer says:

    “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.” –Thomas Sowell

    “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.” –Thomas Sowell

  224. Torcer says:

    Attacks on ref thrd

    Given that is a very old thread why would I expect a response?

    It’s called have the facts at your fingertips – for those who care about such things

  225. Torcer says:

    You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.”Joseph Stalin

  226. Torcer says:

    “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.” –Thomas Sowell

    “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.” –Thomas Sowell

  227. Torcer says:

    One has to wonder at the underlying loyalties of those who support Trump at the moment.

    There is a disconcerting ubiquity in the tactics and methodologies used by both Trump supporters and our comrades from the national socialist left.

    One of these tactics is to incessantly avoid providing a direct answer to a direct question. Instead of actually answering the question with the appropriate answer a long winded and convoluted answer will be provided instead.

    Then beyond this step the response that the required answer wasn’t provided there will some sort of allusions to the avoidance of certain subjects having no discernible right or wrong resolution. Often time these types of responses will be accompanied with puerile vituperation.

    After this point the commentator avoiding the issue will then make the facial claim that the question was indeed answered and then desperately try to change the subject.

  228. Torcer says:

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
    Albert Einstein

  229. Torcer says:

    This should be an object lesson for you who truly support Trump and why you should steer clear of people such as ‘FurryGuy’ and others.

    Note that at first they spout the usual Trump supporter talking points and then drop them once it is seen are not of this mindset.

    Note the commonality of a number of key tactics and methodology use by these alleged Trump supporters.

    1. Extensive use of Alinsky type tactics.
    2. The utilization of childish invective as and aggressive method to try and silence the opposition.
    3. The making of claims that are never verified – and the use of the ‘wild goose; chase scam when they are called on their lack of factual underpinnings. They make a claim and demand others to verify them.
    4. The tacit refusal to answer questions or engage in an civil debate on the issue at hand.

  230. Torcer says:

    In certain basic respects – a totalitarian state structure, a single
    party, a leader, a secret police, a hatred of political, cultural and
    intellectual freedom – fascism and communism are clearly more like each
    other than they are like anything in between.

    Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., Associate Professor of History at Harvard.

  231. Torcer says:

    “We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word many mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name- liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.”
    Abraham Lincoln
    Source:April 18, 1864 – Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, Maryland

  232. Torcer says:

    In certain basic respects – a totalitarian state structure, a single
    party, a leader, a secret police, a hatred of political, cultural and
    intellectual freedom – fascism and communism are clearly more like each
    other than they are like anything in between.

    Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., Associate Professor of History at Harvard.

  233. Torcer says:

    5 Tips On How To Sow Hateful Discord On Social Media
    http://ijr.com/opinion/2016/08/258938-going-hate-every-single-day-now-november/

    5 Tips On How To Sow Hateful Discord On Social Media
    Are we all going to hate each other between now and November? It seems like it.
    So I would like to present some guidelines that I follow in order to alienate the largest possible number of my fellow Americans.
    1. Go Personal as Soon as Possible
    The key to creating discord and ill will is to immediately move a conversation from a legitimate point of discussion to something about the person making the claim. The quicker this is done, the more likely that relationship damage will occur. The more exaggerated the personal slam, the better. Don’t try to engage the point or offer counter arguments. Go for the throat from the very beginning. If you must, address the issue at hand with a throw-away comment at the end.
    2. Deliberately Misunderstand or Misquote Others
    A critical skill for constructive discussion is to make sure that you perfectly understand someone else’s point before responding.
    3. Passionately Make Assertions That Are Not Supported By Facts
    This is a particularly good way to distract a discussion (called a “red herring”) and create an additional point of argument. It is also extremely easy to do. The pro-move here is to make a claim that is wildly absurd and contains information known by most people to be patently untrue. Nuanced or obscure details require extra effort to rebut and no one has time for that.
    4. Post Article Links Without Comment
    When you find a point being made with which you disagree, do not waste time by summarizing or clarifying. Force your opposition and their acolytes to do some homework and click through to the helpful and informative article that you found. No one EVER actually reads posted articles, but just remember that you’re trying to sow discord and anger. Do what you have to do.
    5. Create Attack Teams
    Using Twitter DMs or Facebook Messenger to organize a group of like-thinking folks to attack a loser friend is sneaky and effective.
    http://ijr.com/opinion/2016/08/258938-going-hate-every-single-day-now-november/

  234. Torcer says:

    Do you have the #CommonsenseCivilRightofArmedSelfDefense
    Yes or No?
    #GunSense≠sense #2a
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown

    So how does the Mis-characterization of some as ‘bullies’ somehow negate their #CommonsenseCivilRights? #GunSense≠sense #2a

    Can I apply the same to you and use that to justify the lose of YOUR Civil rights?
    #GunSense≠sense #2a

    Can I apply the same to you and use that to justify the loss of YOUR Civil rights?
    #GunSense≠sense #2a

    So if your are characterized as the same, should YOU lose your Civil rights? #GunSense≠sense #2a

    What part ‘shall not be infringed’ do you NOT understand?
    Your advocating the complete evisceration of that #CommonsenseCivilRight
    #GunSense

  235. Torcer says:

    In most places their are people around you carrying concealed weapons.
    The deterrence effect of that PROTECTS YOU.
    #GunSense≠sense #2a
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown

  236. Torcer says:

    It’s time for an intervention for the nation’s socialist left, Part I http://thenewamericana.com/2016/12/23/time-intervention-nations-socialist-left-part/

    It’s time for an intervention for the nation’s socialist left, Part I

    #national Socialist Left

    It’s time for an intervention for the nation’s socialist left, Part I
    This is a timely message to those on the nation’s Socialist left on what you need to do to once again become a viable political force. You and your comrades should not have to be reminded of the stunning defeat you suffered in the last election. Aside from the personality cult success of Obama, your party has been beaten like a rented mule the past few election cycles.

    You could be forgiven in not seeing this taking place given the uniqueness of the Obama cult and the overwhelming advantages you hold in controlling most of the culture, media and governmental indoctrination system.

    Overwhelming advantages
    For the most part your side has enjoyed enormous advantages the past few years. You control most of the culture, news and the rest of the media as well as the educational system. Young children can grow up in your socialist echo chamber without ever hearing a discouraging word of its negative and evil effects.

    Media control
    There was a time when you held all the cards in this realm. You had all three networks in your pocket as well as most of the major newspapers. With technological advancement you’ve maintained this superiority with CNN, MSNBC and the plethora of online news sources. Admittedly the right has been steadily increasing its influence in this space but this does not reconcile the enormous advantage you still hold.

    Culture control
    It’s not just that you control most of the news outlets. You also hold enormous sway over the rest of the media.

    One only has to look at people’s perceptions of gun control or LGBT issues to realize how your media empire has distorted reality to your ultimate ends. Polls show that people have incorrect perceptions of gun violence and that far more people are homosexual than is the reality.

    One can presume that there will be a short delay as you fall upon your fainting couches being “triggered” by the truth…

    Governmental indoctrination (Education) system control
    You don’t just have the media and culture at your beck and call but the nation’s education system as well. Most people are forced to send their children to the local governmental indoctrination centers – ‘public schools’. And they are forced to pay through the nose for the “privilege.”
    This is Part I of a 3 part series. More to come…
    http://thenewamericana.com/2016/12/23/time-intervention-nations-socialist-left-part/

  237. Torcer says:

    Datos, ne quisquam seruiat, enses. (The sword was given for this, that none need live a slave.) – Marcus Annaeus Lucanus.

  238. Torcer says:

    “The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” Patrick Henry

  239. Torcer says:

    Addressing the National Socialists were ‘Right wing’ Lie

    Ah yes, that old mythology.
    Well, let’s look at the Facts of the matter – ‘right wing’ equates to Conservative:

    right wing: the part of a political group that consists of people who support conservative or traditional ideas and policies : the part of a political group that belongs to or supports the Right
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/right%20wing

    Definition of CONSERVATISM
    1capitalized
    a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party
    b : the Conservative party
    b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

    So, IF you are going to try and foist that interminable lie on the class, YOU are going to have to EXPLAIN where that particular group specifically had a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage).

    And please be sure to include plenty EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

  240. Torcer says:

    “There wasn’t a man voting for it who didn’t think that under a setup
    of this kind he’d muscle in on the profits of the men abler than himself.
    There wasn’t a man rich and smart enough but that he didn’t think that somebody was richer and smarter, and this plan would give him a share of his better’s wealth and brain.”

    “But while he was thinking that he’d get unearned benefits from the men above, he forgot about the men below who’d get unearned benefits, too. He forgot about all his inferiors who’d rush to drain him just as he hoped to drain his superiors. The worker who liked the idea that his need entitled him to a limousine like his boss’s, forgot that every bum and beggar on earth would come howling that their need entitled them to an icebox like his own.”

    “That was our real motive when we voted – that was the truth of it – but we didn’t like to think it, so the less we liked it, the louder we yelled about our love for the common good.”
    Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand

  241. Torcer says:

    Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie.

    Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 22.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

  242. Torcer says:

    Digger
    English agrarian movement
    Digger, any of a group of agrarian communists who flourished in England in 1649–50 and were led by Gerrard Winstanley and William Everard.
    In April 1649 about 20 poor men assembled at St. George’s Hill, Surrey, and began to cultivate the common land. These Diggers held that the English Civil Wars had been fought against the king and the great landowners; now that Charles I had been executed, land should be made available for the very poor to cultivate. (Food prices had reached record heights in the late 1640s.) The numbers of the Diggers more than doubled during 1649. Their activities alarmed the Commonwealth government and roused the hostility of local landowners, who were rival claimants to the common lands. The Diggers were harassed by legal actions and mob violence, and by the end of March 1650 their colony was dispersed. The Diggers themselves abjured the use of force. The Diggers also called themselves True Levelers, but their communism was denounced by the leaders of the Levelers.
    https://www.britannica.com/event/Digger

  243. Torcer says:

    On questioning whether one know the meaning of a particular term:
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    Has the terminology been utilized incorrectly? Yes or No? [Y/N]
    ……………………………………………..

    You are the one trying to dodge the question with that distraction, therefor it is incumbent on you to furnish the answer to BOTH inquiries.

    ……………………………………………………….

    The terminology was utilized correctly, do you disagree? Yes or No? [Y/N]
    =============================================

  244. Torcer says:

    #QuestionsLeftistsCan’tAnswer

    Ask those on the nation’s Socialist left where they would obtain the authority for Intergalactic Background Checks

  245. Torcer says:

    It should bother you that most of your ‘arguments’ stem from false narratives and outright lies.

    ..and yet that does not.. why is that the case?
    ============================

    1. Spew falsehood(s)
    2. Dodge questions on this falsehoods with red herrings about definitions etc.
    3. When all else fails outright refuse to back up the falsehood

  246. Torcer says:

    What is truly amazing is how this story evolved over the hours depending on the information gleaned from the situation.
    Active shooter reported at Ohio State University
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/

    Suspect dead and nine injured in active shooter situation at Ohio State University
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new
    It
    started out a ‘mass shooting’ and the gun grabbers wasted not time is
    calling for even more restrictions on our basic freedoms:
    Shannon Watts’ Attempt to Politicize Ohio State Incident Fails Spectacularly http://bearingarms.com/jenn-j/… via @BearingArmsCom

    Politicians, Activists Rush to Blame Ohio State Stabbing Spree on Guns http://freebeacon.com/issues/p

    Dems INSTANTLY Turned The OSU Knife Attack Into A Gun Control Debate http://dailycaller.com/2016/11… via @dailycaller

    Then after the truth of what really happened trickled out the that it was Car/knife attack:
    1 suspect dead, 9 in hospital after Ohio State car-and-knife attack http://nbcnews.to/2godSle via @nbcnews

    Attacker Plows Into Crowd, Stabs People At Ohio State Campus
    http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com

    And strangely: even a story from 4:58 PM and the correct version still has the ‘active-shooter’ in the link:
    http://www.dispatch.com/conten

    most of the gun grabber meme disappeared… most:
    .@YahooNews: ‘Early Reports’ of Gun Used in @OhioState Attack Should ‘Spur Look’ at Gun Control http://www.newsbusters.org/blo

    After Ohio State attack, George Takei picked a strange day to boldly go after the NRA http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136… via @twitchyteam
    Then the ‘T’ started floating around.. shutting down most of the coverage..
    Terrorism Suspected In Ohio State Attack | RedState http://www.redstate.com/streif

    Then once again the narrative changed once more:
    Whoa: Looks like OSU attack suspect recently decried media’s negative ‘picture’ of Muslims http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/201… via @twitchyteam

    ‘Anti-racism strategist’ Tariq Nasheed mystified by white OSU officer being called a hero http://twitchy.com/sd-3133/201… via @twitchyteam

  247. Torcer says:

    Is it just me or does it seem like every one of these terror attacks follow the same “Progression”

    1. Word comes over the wire of an attack.

    2. Everyone scrambles to gather information and analyze what happened.

    3. Not to long afterwards the Gun grabber ghouls begin talking of once again destroying our Commonsense Civil Rights.

    These attack on freedom usually are along the lines of parroting the LIE of ‘easy access to guns’.

    4. Soon after the name of the perpetrator(s) are revealed.

    5. Then as more information trickles in, their Islamic connections are discovered and this has a decided ‘disquieting effect’ on the wall to wall coverage. Because instead of being a grand opportunity for the gun grabbers on the national Socialist left to once again destroy our liberty, it becomes more on about the threat of Islamic terrorism.

    6. As more information on this aspect is divulged the reportage becomes more muted.
    7. Despite the glaring evidence at hand, the motive will be deemed unknowable.

    Then there will be reports than the authorities knew of these suspect(s)

    Sometimes if the attack is particularly egregious, there are false reports of ‘Islamophobic’ attacks, just to balance out the ‘sides’ in the issue.

  248. Torcer says:

    Would you prfer that

  249. Torcer says:

    #national Socialist Left

  250. Torcer says:

    Let’s be blunt about the situation:

    The national Socialist Left holds all the cards in controlling most of the media, culture and the governmental indoctrination centers [Government education system]..

    ..AND THEY STILL LOST!!!

    Perhaps they need to rid themselves of their base ideology of Socialism….
    ……………………………………………….
    And were they to do that they could once again become a viable party truly fostering the principles of liberty and freedom…..

    ..So perhaps they should just stick the what they are currently doing and relegate themselves to well deserved oblivion.

  251. Torcer says:

    The greatest productive force is human selfishness. – Robert Heinlein

  252. Torcer says:

    Do you have the right to defend yourself?
    #QuestionsLeftistsCannotAnswer
    #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown

  253. Torcer says:

    1. it’s not a ‘Mixed economy’ because the freedom has not been overthrown, therefore the definition doesn’t hold.

    2.

  254. Torcer says:

    “The greatest productive force is human selfishness.” – Robert Heinlein

  255. Torcer says:

    One cannot notice that you are ignoring my assertions ans blithely prattling on with

  256. Torcer says:

    ‘changed the game’
    One cannot help but notice the tendency of the national Socialist left to play games with words as a way of trying to spin oppression as a positive.

    Those on the national Socialist left keep on changing their self labeling to sound as positive and vague at the same time.

  257. Torcer says:

    And as I have pointed out to many before, if you want to play the nitpicker game we can look at your postings to see whether or not you use of the King’s English is up to snuff.

  258. Torcer says:

    Cigarettes, Moonshine and Fire-sticks bureaucracy.

  259. Torcer says:

    That’s a yes or no question, without the qualifications.

    Which is it? Yes or No? [ Y or N] will also work…

  260. Torcer says:

    BTW, I can’t help but notice that you ignored this:

  261. Torcer says:

    The question to be asked of those who would like to eliminate that
    commonsense civil right should be ‘Why do wish to have a society based
    on coercion?’

  262. Torcer says:

    It does not matter how you wish to propagandize the practice, there is something seriously wrong with a system if one is FORCED to participate in it.

  263. Torcer says:

    Let’s cut to the chase: Do you have a ‘Right’ to healthcare?

    Yes or No [Y/N will also work]
    Note if you are going to play the all too common game of dodging the question for several cycles and then refuse to answer, please do everyone a favour and stop at this point instead of wasting everyone’s time.

  264. Torcer says:

    deAtH-[b+Y]-steReO Socialist simply means supported by public funds, aka Taxes.
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/12325/shapiro-national-review-no-leftists-health-care-ben-shapiro#comment-3100399492

    Where did you get that definition of that common word?
    ==============================

    This is the problem here – those from the national socialist left trying to redefine common words to suit a particular national agenda:

    deAtH-[b+Y]-steReO

    we call it socialism. We have many successful socialist programs here in America. You like the police? Of course you do, all conservatives love the police…socialist program. How about those roads and highways you drive on…yep, another fine socialist program. Education? Yep, socialist again….In fact the entire federal government and all it’s offices and branches, including the FBI, NSA, CIA,…okay just name your TLA (three letter acronym) US Armed Forces, etc. All Socialist. So what would be so bad about socializing medicine? Do you like having to risk your financial freedom on the chance that someday something might happen to you? Because if something does happen to you, it could cost you everything because it is hard to put a price tag on something like “not dying”
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/12325/shapiro-national-review-no-leftists-health-care-ben-shapiro#comment-3099741179

    Try debating the issue based on the true definition of the word:

    Definition of socialism
    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
    (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/socialism

  265. Torcer says:

    What is it about those on the national Socialist left who think that unless something happens personally to someone it’s not valid issue?

    Such things are entirely irrelevant, the facts from history are clear and such a facile attempt at deflecting the point misses the mark.

  266. Torcer says:

    One of the more amusing aspects of the absurd attempt at crediting Socialism with essentially EVERYTHING

    One of the more amusing aspects of the absurd attempt at crediting Socialism with essentially everything the government does is that this over arching definition means that Every government is Socialist, even the …………………………………

  267. Torcer says:

    Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.
    Ayn Rand

  268. Torcer says:

    Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie.

    Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 22.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

  269. Torcer says:

    It’s quite a mystery as to why the nation’s Socialists on the left are not proud of their 500 year old heritage of failure. Perhaps it’s because in all that time their base ideology has only death, misery and oppression down through the centuries.

    There is certain something about the fact that Socialism (or it’s 40 or so synonyms) that causes it’s proponents to try and absolve themselves of it’s inherent evil.

  270. Torcer says:

    Healthcare being a ‘right’:

    For all of you Socialist Justice warriors out there.. and you know who you are.. we will go through this step by step.
    1. Look at the definition of the word:

    Definition of right
    noun
    2 a moral or legal entitlement to have or do something:
    ‘[with infinitive]:she had every right to be angry you’re quite within your rights to ask for your money back ‘
    ‘[mass noun]:there is no right of appeal against the decision’
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/right?

    2. If you have a ‘moral or legal entitlement to have or do something’ to healthcare then someone else has to provide that ‘right’
    3. Therefore you are asserting a ‘moral or legal entitlement to have or do something’ over someone’s labour or property.
    4. This is called Slavery.
    Now how is it supposedly ‘progress’ to go back to a time when people where subject to this practice?

  271. Torcer says:

    #QuestionsLeftistsCannotAnswer

    Do you have the right to defend yourself?
    If #Socialism is so wonderful, why does it have to be imposed at the point of a #Gun?
    Why do most shootings take place in #GunFreeZones?
    Where does the Govt. obtain the authority over your your property with #ComprehensiveGovtControls?

    Where does the Govt. obtain the authority to control your property with #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks?

    Where does the Govt. obtain the authority to control your property?

    #QuestionsLeftistsCannotAnswer
    #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown

    #QuestionsLeftistsCannotAnswer
    Where does the Govt get the authority to control your property with #IntergalacticBackgroundChecks #GunSense

  272. Torcer says:

    The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him. – Niccolò Machiavelli

  273. Torcer says:

    The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him. – Niccolò Machiavelli

  274. Torcer says:

    ==============

    Can you state unequivocally that you have never made a mistake in that regard?

    I can debate the serious issues of the day, so I don’t have to rely on petty and childish distractions

    I can debate the serious issues of the day, so I don’t have to rely on petty and childish antics.

  275. Torcer says:

    You are going to regret not taking the outs you previously attempted.

    You should know that you are going to regret failing to run away when you had the chance.

  276. Torcer says:

    What is more important to be concerned about – the serious issues of the day or childish irrelevances?

    Can you unequivocally state that you have never made such errors?

    IF you cannot, then you are a hypocrite for a incessantly childishly attacking others over such errors.

    ===========================================

    Simplistic attacks against others merely for wanting these conversations to be civil displays a decided lack of intellectual acumen.
    ………………………………
    You could have taken my advice and tried to act like an adult but you chose to no do so.

  277. Torcer says:

    Didn’t you claim to have already answered those questions?

    Can you unequivocally state that you have never made a mistake in that regard?

    If you cannot, then it’ hypocritical of you to attack other with childish vitriol
    ==============

    Can you state unequivocally that you have never made a mistake in that regard?

    I can debate the serious issues of the day, so I don’t have to rely on petty and childish distractions

    I can debate the serious issues of the day, so I don’t have to rely on petty and childish antics.

  278. Torcer says:

    How are new laws supposed to control people who by definition do not obey the law in the first place?

  279. Torcer says:

    The “animal abuse” in A Dog’s Purpose doesn’t look much like abuse – Hot Air http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/30/the-animal-abuse-in-a-dogs-purpose-doesnt-look-much-like-abuse/

  280. Torcer says:

    This is because people have been brainwashed by screeds like:

    75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America
    That have an absurd definition of socialism as:

    Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

    Which is antithetical to the set definition of the word:

    Definition of socialism
    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
    (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.
    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/socialism

    Such screeds have things like ‘Laws’,‘Civilization’ and even ‘All Elected Government Officials’ as examples of the wonders of Socialism.

    Of Course, ‘Laws’,‘Civilization’ and even ‘All Elected Government Officials’ have been around for thousands of years and Socialism has only been around for 300 – 400 hundred years, but who wants to quibble about FACTS?

  281. Torcer says:

    Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever-expanding union of the workers. This union is helped on by the improved means of communication that are created by modern industry and that place the workers of different localities in contact with one another. It was just this contact that was needed to centralise the numerous local struggles, all of the same character, into one national struggle between classes. But every class struggle is a political struggle. And that union, to attain which the burghers of the Middle Ages, with their miserable highways, required centuries, the modern proletarians, thanks to railways, achieve in a few years.

    The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 18.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

    ……………………………………………………………………………

    Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie.

    Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 22.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

  282. Torcer says:

    “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin.
    And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
    Ronald Reagan

  283. Torcer says:

    Daddy’s little girl

    #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA
    Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown

    Daddy’s little girl #GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown

    Daddy’s little girl#GunSense=NonSense #2a #NRA Boot #MomsDemand from #everytown pic.twitter.com/gdWCKcSD3i— Torcer (@TorcerT) January 26, 2017

  284. Torcer says:

    Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever-expanding union of the workers. This union is helped on by the improved means of communication that are created by modern industry and that place the workers of different localities in contact with one another. It was just this contact that was needed to centralise the numerous local struggles, all of the same character, into one national struggle between classes. But every class struggle is a political struggle. And that union, to attain which the burghers of the Middle Ages, with their miserable highways, required centuries, the modern proletarians, thanks to railways, achieve in a few years.

    The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 18.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

    ……………………………………………………………………………

    Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie.

    Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto
    II. BOURGEOIS AND PROLETARIANS Page 22.
    http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-tools/the-communist-manifesto-original-text-t3022.html

  285. Torcer says:

    Generally if one has to impose one’s political philosophy at the point of a gun, one is doing it wrong

    Generally if you has to impose your political philosophy at the point of a gun, you’re is doing it wrong.

    Generally if you has to force your political philosophy on people at the point of a gun, you’re is doing it wrong.

    If it involves fire squads and ‘La Tumba’ most likely something has gone awry along the way

  286. Torcer says:

    One has to know one is in trouble when the best argument one can muster is nothing better than a child on schoolyard denigrating a point based on their opponent being a poophead..

    If your best argument is nothing better than that uttered from a child on a school yard, you ought to be questioning those arguments.

    This is the problem for you comrades on the national socialist left – your presumption of intellectual superiority has left you with meaningless one word or short phrase arguments.

  287. Torcer says:

    “How do you tell a communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin.
    And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.”
    Ronald Reagan

  288. Torcer says:

    I’ve have noticed that those on the national Socialist Left tend to have a decide character flaw in double standards. You condemn the merest admonitions as to your behaviour and yet have the barest of qualms about using childish invective that is far worse.
    ==========================================================
    This is the problem you encounter when you are bereft of moral principles, you get caught because you forget what you had done previously.

    Then you have try and make up of it with childish vitriol and obsession with irrelevant issues.

    Just in case you haven’t discerned this from previous comments, you answers will include direct quotes of my stating what you had claimed. If you cannot produce said exact quotes, your assertions are invalid and you have once again lose the argument.

    And incase you have realized it until this point in time, if you try to make something up you will be called on it.

    Ergo, mere assertions with regard to ‘my words’ or something does not constitute prove of your assertions.

    This is how adults converse with each other – they base their statements on facts and logic, NOT on childish vitriol and strawman fallacies.

    You should realize that if those tactics are the best you can muster, you are going to lose the argument unless you can try and bluster your way through it or attempt to use childish ridicule.
    ===============================================================
    Your answer will include exact quotes

  289. Torcer says:

    Perhaps you can explain that if those two are supposedly ‘opposite’ then why do hey both tend to have secret police organizations that suppress dissent?

  290. Torcer says:

    My apologies for giving you short shrift in a response, that is usually the case when I agree with what someone is saying. A rancorous debate is somewhat unpleasant and thus one will want to deal with it as soon as possible to get it over with.

    Whereas agreement is more pleasant experience to be savored. Much like comparing the taking of bad tasting medicine versus a fine bottle of wine.

    For this discussion we should at least establish some important points. Please understand that these are not meant to be admonishments directed at you per se. This is more akin to place the important reminders up front for everyone to keep in mind as they are extremely critical to the points being made.

    First of all, one should always be suspicious of those who wish to overly complicate matters, refuse to define terminology or eschew factual reality.

    Words are the currency of conversation or discourse. The definitions are the value of said ‘currency’, without a set definition words have no meaning and are thus of no value.

    This is being stated at the outset because one cannot help but notice that in many instances, those who wish to overly complicate issues or muddy the water tend to eschew word definitions.

    If you study some of the leftist or progressive screeds on this and other subjects you will see them try to play games with meanings of words.

    Word definitions have to be treated as facts, or else discussions devolve into meaningless pablum.

  291. Torcer says:

    Here’s another in our series: #QuestionsLeftistsCannotAnswer
    How are new laws supposed to control people who by definition do not obey the law in the first place?

    Should the Government have control over it’s own constraints?

  292. Torcer says:

    False accusation

    Show where I have done that or you will shown to have engaged in the psychological malady of projection

    Please post an except where I have done that or else it will be show that you suffer from the psychological malady of projection.

  293. Torcer says:

    Copy and past

    Those are called FACTS, are you adverse

  294. Torcer says:

    Please answer these questions:

    1) Plea

  295. Torcer says:

    The problem for those of your comrades who are willing to admit to be socialist is that that various forms of government have been tried and any variant of Statism has come up wanting. An honest assessment of the situation would yield that logical conclusion.

    A Constitutionally limited, free-market based government is the best form of government.

    Collectivist forms of government are inherently immoral and well as running counter to human nature. The fact that they have to use terror to maintain their power should speak volumes.

    A ‘hybrid’ system only mean that is a hybrid of immorality and it only need partial coercion to function.

    Face the fact that socialism does not work no matter how it’s labeled or whatever games are played with the language. If it was actually functional you and your comrades would have no computations about proudly declaring yourselves to be socialists.

    As a side note, you people on the national socialist Left do need to get your act together in spinning the perpetration of your base ideology. Some of you deny the obvious with the sometime proviso that you only want ‘what works’. Others try to rewrite the definition of the word to include well nigh everything the government does, an as a result declaring everyone to be a socialist.

  296. Torcer says:

    Just because you say a government is Communist, doesn’t mean it’s Communist.

    The burden of proof is on you Comrade, you are the one claiming a socialist regime is really communist, so you need to MUCH better than making the baseless a presumption that you are correct.

    (I blame your teachers and professors who failed to instill this concept within you)

    So you are going to have to try again with something other than the automatic presumption that your opinion is correct and the flaccid and irrelevant ‘North Korea’ talking point has any thing to do with backing up your unfounded conjectures

    Face it, The FACTS are on my side – and the reason we win these arguments.

    You’re going to have to try harder in excusing the death, misery, oppression and Evil of socialism.

  297. Torcer says:

    False assertions:

    Just because you want to claim that _________________________

    Just because you say that _______________________ doesn’t make it true.

    You have to back up your assertion with FACTS based on EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites

    hither and yon

    in your answer.

    ========================================
    The phrase OODA loop refers to the decision cycle of observe, orient, decide, and act, developed by military strategist and USAF Colonel John Boyd.

  298. Torcer says:

    Are you about to tell us “Socialism was tried in Russia” or “Look at Venezuela” etc? It has NEVER EXISTED! It comes AFTER global capitalism! pic.twitter.com/Rr1Ra0ugbE— The Socialist Party (@OfficialSPGB) November 16, 2016

  299. Torcer says:

    Was the ‘Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik’ Socialist?

    Was the ‘Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei’ Socialist?

    Is the ‘Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela’ Socialist?

    Is the ‘Partido Comunista de Cuba’ Communist?

    =====================================
    Was the ‘Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik’ Socialist?
    Was the ‘Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiter-Partei’ Socialist?
    Is the ‘Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela’ Socialist?
    Is the ‘Partido Comunista de Cuba’ Communist?

  300. Torcer says:

    If you are going to claim superior knowledge, then please explain the difference between Socialism and Communism.

    Given that both are referenced in the definition it should be clear they are closely related

    Was the ……… Socialist? After all they had a military, and by your previous assertions…

    ————————————————————–

    Are you actually laughing at the prospect of #Socialist oppression?

    Or are you laughing at the millions who have died under the hob nailed boot heal of #Socialist oppression?

    Don’t you blokes on the national socialist left supposedly ‘care ‘ about people?

    What about the Millions that have died as the result of your base ideology?

    ———————————————————————

    If you want an example of a nation based on the core principles of individual Liberty

    If you want an example of a nation based on the Conservative-Libertarian principles the states would be a good example.

    Now that I’ve answered your persistent question, you have to answer mine.

    But then again

    Tip for you – Keeping within the bounds of proper adult discourse and civility whilst staying with what has been stated.

    Why are you folks on the national socialist left so disdainful of liberty?

    The problem for you is that you are having to continually hurl spurious attacks in order to

  301. Torcer says:

    Tip: Keeping within the bounds of proper adult discourse whilst avoiding
    the propagation of falsehoods will maintain your credibility

    ———————————————————
    Abject denial is a poor substitute for an intelligent answer – #tryagain

  302. Torcer says:

    I’m guessing that logic is not your strong suit.
    You can’t even make your falsehoods make sense.

  303. Torcer says:

    If socialism is so wonderful, why does it have to be imposed at the point of a gun?

    If your ideology is based on outright lies, then something is severely wrong with your ideology.

    If the elite’s you ideology exalt lies and deception,
    =========================================================

    What is the factual basis for that assertion?
    ==========================================================
    Ad hominem attacks

    Perhaps you could cite some actual facts and dispense with childish invective

  304. Torcer says:

    Did you not see the definitions I presented?
    The source is the OED https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/ and it is supremely easy for you to verify their authenticity.

    Not to mention those are common definitions that should be well know by most intelligent speakers of the King’s English.

    It is rather unfortunate that conversations with those on the national socialist left tend to follow a certain inevitable pattern.

    To be blunt about it, your immoral and illogical base ideology cannot withstand an open and honest debate free from rancor and childish behaviour.

    You have my apologies for being so direct, but you people need to realize that if you cannot defend your base ideology in a civil and frank discussion, then perhaps it’s not worth defending

    One has to wonder why those on the nation’s Socialist left feel they are more intelligent that other’s

    Many seem to have an unearned superiority that cannot bear up under intellectual debate.

  305. Torcer says:

    Already answered
    —————————————

    Then PROVE you did so by re-posting that alleged answer for all to see.

    IF you cannot, you will have just destroyed your credibility

    IF you cannot, you will be shown to be a LIAR.

  306. Torcer says:

    “Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.” – Frederic Bastiat

  307. Torcer says:

    Let us never forget this fundamental truth: the State has no source of
    money other than money which people earn themselves.
    If the State wishes
    to spend more it can do so only by borrowing your savings or by taxing
    you more. It is no good thinking that someone else will pay – that
    ‘someone else’ is you. There is no such thing as public money; there is
    only taxpayers’ money.
    MARGARET THATCHER, speech to Conservative Party Conference, Oct. 14, 1983

  308. Torcer says:

    “Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.” Marko Kloos Why the gun is civilization

  309. Torcer says:

    if someone doesn’t have the right to the fruits of their labor are they a free person or a slave?

    That is in essence a slave by any stretch of the imagination.

    how can you have socialism without government control.

    EXACTLY!
    (Sorry to be so verbose in agreement with you 🙂
    But that is the crux of the matter – Socialist will claim that supposedly the state will wither away under their system – and never does.

    They could either take over the government and somehow give up that power… or they could somehow initiate their plans without that takeover. Clearly they cannot do either..

  310. Torcer says:

    Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the principles of the Socratic method.

    Professors do not ask student questions to obtain knowledge that they already have.
    They ask questions to test the knowledge of their students.

    And as an aside – responding with something like ‘Google it’ is not an answer


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