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Aug 24 2016

Open Thread


Passed along by FrozenPatriot.

134 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. Torcer says:

    NYT Report: Sean Hannity an Unofficial Advisor to the Trump Campaign
    So much has become clear:

    But one person in the mix brings more than just his political advice. He also happens to control an hour of prime time on the Fox News Channel.

    That person is Sean Hannity.

    Mr. Hannity uses his show on the nation’s most-watched cable news network to blare Mr. Trump’s message relentlessly — giving Mr. Trump the kind of promotional television exposure even a billionaire can’t afford for long.

    But Mr. Hannity is not only Mr. Trump’s biggest media booster; he also veers into the role of adviser. Several people I’ve spoken with over the last couple of weeks said Mr. Hannity had for months peppered Mr. Trump, his family members and advisers with suggestions on strategy and messaging.

    Note that this is not something that Hannity, for his part, denies.

  2. Torcer says:

    Venezuela’s gun confiscation should be a wake-up call to pro-gun Americans
    A recent report out of crime-ridden Venezuela is a reminder to gun owners of the importance of remaining watchful and putting pro-gun politicians in office.
    The government went as far as using laser technology to register ammunition, since much of the gun violence in Venezuela is perpetrated using government weapons that were either stolen from police departments and military depots, or sold to gangs by corrupt government officials. But stripping Venezuelan citizens of their ability to protect themselves will do nothing to address the violence.

    This is, of course, the government pretending it is doing something about crime, as if it is ordinary citizens who are committing crimes in the streets. Criminals did not turn their guns in for destruction, nor were they affected by a gun ban.

    The government under socialist president/dictator Hugo Chavez entirely banned the civilian ownership of firearms and ammunition in 2012, after a period of amnesty during which people could turn in weapons. Naturally, crime continued to increase.

    Americans should take note of this as the November elections approach. Hillary Clinton has been an adamant opponent of liberty and gun rights for decades. We can expect her presidency to be the active culmination of that hatred of our traditions if she is elected.

    Democrats are fond of saying that gun owners’ fear of President Obama and a potential President Clinton are exaggerated; that Democrats haven’t taken come for anyone’s guns. While that’s true for the most part, it’s not due to a lack of desire on the part of liberal politicians. Rather, Democrats have failed in their efforts largely because of a lack of political support. Attempts to put through legislation are quickly ended by the Republican majority and the few pro-gun Democrats that remain. Politicians know that voters will scrutinize every move they make and will remember at the polls.
    – See more at:

  3. Torcer says:

    Prepare For The Trump Stabbed-In-The-Back Myth
    During World War I, the German government, in order to keep up war morale, informed its citizens and allies that the war would surely be won by the Axis powers. At times, this required some rather fancy footwork: the military censored the newspapers, and German nationalists maintained that every defeat was a strategic retreat, every victory a step closer to total victory.

    When the Germans lost, Germans were forced to cope with sudden reality. The Germans were beaten on the battlefield. But that possibility had never entered the public mind, and it wouldn’t enter it even after defeat.

    Instead of recognizing reality, Germans began talking regularly about the dolchstoß: the stab in the back. The theory was that Germany was winning the war, but cowardly civilians –Social Democrats in the main – had brought about a negotiated armistice. The stab-in-the-back myth became a crucial selling point for the nationalist populists in Germany.

    Now, the Trump movement is building the groundwork for its own dolchstoßlegende.

    Trump is down in the polls. But Trump Train supporters in the media continue to sell the notion to Trump fans that he’s winning. Not that he might still win, which is true – they say that he is currently winning. They do this in order to set up an argument for after the election.
    Here’s the reality: Trump is losing in the polls. He’s losing because he’s run, to this point, the most incompetent general election campaign in modern American history. Perhaps Trump turns it around. But if he doesn’t, he’s all prepared for the blame game afterwards.

    Get ready: the Trump purges begin November 9 if he loses on November 8.

  4. Torcer says:

    Hillary’s Press Secretary: Trump Among Clinton Foundation Donors via @Newsmax

  5. Torcer says:

    Hillary’s Corruption Is Overwhelming via @rightwingnews

  6. Torcer says:

    Second Amendment backers arm up with ink and paper to battle California’s ‘Gunmageddon’

  7. Torcer says:

    Silent majority: There’s an “undercover Trump voter” missing from the polls, says Kellyanne Conway – Hot Air

  8. Torcer says:

    Hot new frontier in fighting Islamism in France: Banning the burkini – Hot Air

  9. Torcer says:

    Hillary’s speech attacking the alt-right will only raise their profile – Hot Air

  10. Torcer says:

    Rush: “Trump supporters don’t care what he does or what he says” – Hot Air

  11. Torcer says:

    “There Certainly Can Be a Softening”

    Trump literally polls Hannity’s angry mob on whether to AMNESTY or NOT amnesty! LOL!

  12. Torcer says:

    Head of Pro-Trump Super PAC Gives a Stunning Admission About the Election via @thepolitistick

  13. Torcer says:

    Michelle Malkin | » Of course: Louisiana floods give Bill Nye opportunity to extend predictability streak via @michellemalkin

  14. Torcer says:

    Krauthammer’s Take: Trump’s Immigration Softening ‘Is Not Evolution – This Is a Complete Turnabout’

    Mr. Trump: If your plan is to only deport “the bad ones,” then the other 10.9 million are getting amnesty no matter how often you say it’s not amnesty

  15. Torcer says:

    So, is THIS the ‘pivot’? Sounds like Trump’s anti-amnesty cred just took a YUGE hit
    Jeff B/DDHQ @EsotericCD

    This new Trump position on immigration feels very low energy to me.
    This new position is definitely low-energy. Especially when you consider how much energy Trump and his entourage put into cultivating his immigration hardliner persona:
    But … but … what about all this? Was he just blowing smoke??? (via @back_ttys)

    Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

    Ted Cruz only talks tough on immigration now because he did so badly in S.C. He is in favor of amnesty and weak on illegal immigration.
    9:37 AM – 23 Feb 2016

    Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
    Marco Rubio is totally weak on illegal immigration & in favor of easy amnesty. A lightweight choker – bad for #USA!
    10:39 PM – 9 Nov 2015

    Tim Miller @Timodc

    This is basically Jeb’s position. Guess Trump is the biggest cuck of them all.

    Tim Alberta@TimAlberta
    This is precisely the “weak” position Trump (and Breitbart) skewered Jeb for taking

    Ben Shapiro@benshapiro
    We could have nominated Marco Rubio with precisely the same positions, and actually won

    Ben Jacobs@Bencjacobs
    Trump saying that he supports a path to legal status is like Bernie Sanders endorsing capitalism. This is a core principle of his campaign.

    Seth Mandel@SethAMandel
    You’ve been scammed, Trumpers. Pt. 1232432423

    John Podhoretz
    view of alt-right right now

  16. Torcer says:

    The Most Important Thing You’ll Read Right Now

    Trump Is Losing Pennsylvania and Closing His Path to the White House

  17. Torcer says:

    Let’s all just accept the fact that Donald Trump is trying to undermine the GOP

  18. johnnosk says:

    I’m reading an article on and I came across this little gem:

    While Reagan’s Johnson and Johnson’s masochistic bathing equipment
    certainly make for good stories, the most damning anecdotes come from
    recent administrations. Surprisingly, the very thing that probably made
    OG Bush’s policies sit badly with you made him and his family the most
    liked among the household staff. “The Bushes were used to having help,
    and they knew how to deal with it,” according to The Residence: Inside the Private World of the White House. The Clintons, on the other hand, freaked right the hell out.

    Out of what The Washington Post describes as their “deep concern for privacy,” Skip Allen claims, “They were about the most paranoid people I’d ever seen in my life.” They particularly distrusted him personally, he says, running
    unnecessary background checks and having him tested for drugs three
    times in 14 months, because obviously a man who curries favor with
    voters by playing the jazz sax can’t be in the company of stoners.

    The entire article can be found here:

  19. TED says: IT’S a TWO-FER, satisfies TWO agendas at once!!!

  20. TED says: The joke use to be “We’re from the government and we’re here to help”. NOW it’s ANYTHING the half-wit POS half-ra-kin says!!

  21. TED says:

    The REAL reason this country is on the fast track to HELL… AND THEY VOTE!!!

  22. TED says:

    ONE for the LEFTIST translation dictionary…

  23. TED says:


  24. TED says:

    Louisiana? Oh yah, yah… Louisiana.

  25. KirklesWorth says:

    And do you have a problem with that?

  26. KirklesWorth says:

    What’s so “important” about it since you want Trump to lose? Your Hillary wishes are coming true!

  27. KirklesWorth says:

    Time to embrace Hillary’s open borders, total amnesty, and legalization!

  28. KirklesWorth says:

    Good for your dad. I’m sure he’s proud of your work against Trump and for Hillary.

  29. Feet2Fire says:

    More shenanigans… Trump at risk of not appearing on Minnesota ballot:

  30. KirklesWorth says:

    Why Polls Don’t Work: After decades of gradual improvement, the science of predicting election outcomes has hit an accuracy crisis.

    Still, Gallup’s move, which followed an embarrassingly inaccurate performance by the company in the 2012 elections, reinforces the perception that something has gone badly wrong in polling and that even the most experienced players are at a loss about how to fix it. Heading into the 2016 primary season, news consumers are facing an onslaught of polls paired with a nagging suspicion that their findings can’t be trusted. Over the last four years, pollsters’ ability to make good predictions about Election Day has seemingly deteriorated before our eyes.

    What’s the Matter With Polling?

    Election polling is in near crisis, and we pollsters know. Two trends are driving the increasing unreliability of election and other polling in the United States: the growth of cellphones and the decline in people willing to answer surveys. Coupled, they have made high-quality research much more expensive to do, so there is less of it. This has opened the door for less scientifically based, less well-tested techniques. To top it off, a perennial election polling problem, how to identify “likely voters,” has become even thornier.


    Here’s Why Polls Are So Bad At Predicting Election Results

    We all complain about polls—there are too many of them and they dominate election coverage—but one of the best reasons to dismiss them is that they are notoriously unreliable at predicting the actual results, especially so early in the campaign.

  31. Feet2Fire says:

    When IMAGE counts more than SUBSTANCE…

    Look how flawless, young, bright, smooth, wrinkle-free, pretty, HEALTHY, and all-round lovable they have made Hillary in this stylized graphic:,0,2000,2400/600×720/1640914/image.png

    She’s as all-American as Betty Crocker or Martha Stewart!

    Isn’t it wonderful what MARKETING can do?

    –Who wouldn’t vote for that?!

  32. KirklesWorth says:

    Trump better fix this fast if he’s losing Krauthammer.

  33. KirklesWorth says:

    The caveat:

    Trump supporters don’t care what he does or what he says because there is no way they are going to do anything that helps elect Hillary Clinton.

  34. KirklesWorth says:

    Here is the list of Torcer recommended articles to Dave Blount for the month of March regarding either Trump or Hillary.

    Torcer’s recommended articles from March with “Hillary”, “Clinton”, or “Shrillary” in the title:

    1. Another Poll Confirms: Hillary Would Beat Trump, Not Cruz or Rubio
    2. Hillary’s America
    3. Will Shrillary Drop Out if She Is Finally Indicted?
    4. Count the Clinton Lies
    5. We Can’t Stop Hillary Unless We First Stop Trump
    6. Newspeak Dictionary Update: Hillary Does Not Shout
    7. How We Know Justice Will Not Prevail Regarding Hillary
    8. Bill Clinton Slams Obama’s “Awful Legacy”
    9. Why a Vote for John Kasich Is a Vote for Hillary
    10. Amanda Marcotte Explains How Hillary Got Her Reputation as a Liar
    11. Hillary Clinton Cackles About Bill’s Infidelity

    Torcer’s recommended articles from March with “Donald”, “Trump”, or “Orange” in the title:

    1. New York Times Allegedly Has Audio of Trump Admitting He Plans to Shaft Supporters on Immigration
    2. Another Poll Confirms: Hillary Would Beat Trump, Not Cruz or Rubio
    3. Trump Is Already Abandoning Immigration Stance
    4. Ben Shapiro Makes a Case for #NeverTrump
    5. Trump’s Authoritarian Appeal
    6. Forty-Three Top Reasons Not to Vote for Donald Trump
    7. Trump’s Best Words
    8. Retired Special Forces Commander Michael Waltz Sounds Off on Trump
    9. Trump’s Stratospheric Unfavorable Rating Continues to Rise, Making Him Unelectable
    10. Breitbart Barely Objects to Its Reporter Michelle Fields Getting Manhandled by Trump Campaign Manager
    11. Trump the Outsourcer
    12. Trump in Reverse
    13. Andrew Klavan: I’m Angry! So I’m Voting for Donald Trump
    14. Trumpbart: Rush Limbaugh’s Freudian Slip
    15. We Can’t Stop Hillary Unless We First Stop Trump
    16. Former Salesman for Trump University Speaks Out
    17. Ides of March Stop Trump Voting Guide
    18. A Preview of the General Election if Trump Is the Nominee
    19. Trump Threatens Riots if He Doesn’t Get His Way at Convention
    20. Donald Trump’s Primary Foreign Policy Consultant
    21. Trump and Tiananmen Square
    22. Pam Bondi Could Get Sucked Down by Trump Vortex
    23. Trump and Cable News
    24. Why Democrats Are Pulling for Trump
    25. Insider Confirms: Trump Campaign Was Never Intended to Go This Far
    26. Trump Campaign Manager Corey Lewandowski Charged With Battery
    27. Pledge to Support Nominee Discarded as Party Unity Dies of Trump Toxin
    28. Who to Blame for Trump? Start With Rush Limbaugh

  35. FrozenPatriot says:


  36. KirklesWorth says:

    Maybe not, but you don’t want people to vote for Trump more so you can get Hillary and “educate” them on their errant ways.

  37. FrozenPatriot says:

    Bye bye, troll.

  38. KirklesWorth says:

    Sorry, I didn’t realize posting what you said is “being a troll”. Maybe you just forgot, so here’s a reminder when I say:

    …you don’t want people to vote for Trump more so you can get Hillary and “educate” them on their errant ways.

    You have previously posted:

    KirklesWorth: Maybe so, but Hillary won’t care how much she is disliked. Nor will she care when she runs roughshod over the country.

    FrozenPatriot: And her running roughshod is exactly what wakes people up. Understand yet? Worse is better…

    KirklesWorth: Yeah…the immediate consequences of a Hillary presidency is liberties and rights taken away. If you thought Obamacare sailed through, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

    FrozenPatriot: Let it come. The more people suffer under the oppression of the state, the more they’ll wake up. The more people are awake, the less the need for violence to restore liberty.

  39. Grumpy Cat says:

    Don’t leave out Occam’s Scrotum Stubble.

  40. Grumpy Cat says:

    He’d much rather be on his knees to Queen Hillary.

  41. KirklesWorth says:

    I’m currently interested in the anti-Trump Torcer obsession since it seems to have all day to gather anti-Trump rhetoric and hand it to Dave Blount to dutifully post on Moonbattery.

  42. Grumpy Cat says:

    He’s thrilled because he’s actually a DNC paid Hillary troll.

  43. Grumpy Cat says:

    “Torcer”: does Soros pay you with a check or direct deposit?

  44. KirklesWorth says:

    I’m not convinced of that (yet). It has suggested many articles over the past few months that are conservative in nature. The anti-Trump obsession is what puzzles me, since it won’t reveal what its end game is other than the whimsical and non-answer “That a candidate who champions liberty wins”.

  45. TrojanMan says:

    You missed commenting on all of Torcers comments…. get to it!

  46. KirklesWorth says:

    Sorry, I don’t do requests. I can’t help it if its got more time on its hands to search for things. You’ve missed commenting on all of mine as well, ,so why don’t you follow your own advice?

  47. TrojanMan says:

    Because i am not a bat shit crazy stalker such as yourself.

  48. TheChaoticStorm says:

    A ray of hope from an unusual place. The University of Chicago says “NO” to special snowflakes!

  49. Bodhisattva says:

    I was about to post that one.

    Amazing such a thing comes from Chicago.

  50. TheChaoticStorm says:

    It almost makes you wonder if it is April 1st.

  51. Bodhisattva says:

    While it is true that Trump is to a great degree an unknown quantity and also has some bad traits (he is a New York Liberal, after all), the only viable alternative is a known bad quantity.

    Like Obama, as this story shows, Hillary will make moves that put us at grave risk.

  52. Bodhisattva says:

    Predictable… funny, this coming from the person running for the party that started the KKK in the first place.

  53. Bodhisattva says:

    He’s already made it into it’s own thread… but someone else must have beaten you to it. Must not of seen your post or he would have mentioned you, too.

  54. Bodhisattva says:

    The problem with lies is they all too often work on their target audiences: liberal moonbats:

    This one is obviously false, yet liberal moonbats fall for it even after it’s been widely debunked and was obviously false in the first place.

  55. Purr Blackford says:

    Do we really need or want this in America?…

  56. Bodhisattva says:

    Welfare reform was working – then the Democrats got control of Congress and the White House.

  57. Bodhisattva says:

    You’re going to get it – price increases for electricity – if liberal moonbats have their way.

    This doesn’t hurt the rich or upper middle class – it really hurts the lower classes, where the liberals troll for votes – which you would think would lose them votes, but it doesn’t.

  58. Bodhisattva says:

    Many of the things liberals are afraid of are things that have been happening for a long time that we just now are noticing. This is one example of them acting like something is unusual just because we never noticed it before.

  59. TheChaoticStorm says:

    No big deal. Just happy it made it. Such great news and I hope other universities follow suit.

  60. Bodhisattva says:

    More lies from the left debunked:

    Turns out they’ve been overhyping coral bleaching (which is a normal, natural process and NOT happing as bad as they claim) for some time.

  61. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Let’s be honest. Nobody is more a shill for the republican establishment than Sean Hannity.

  62. KirklesWorth says:

    Uh huh. So, if I don’t believe what you have claimmed below, I am “crazy” and a “stalker” for coming here to try and prevent Hillary from being elected, eh? That’s harsh!

    TrojanMan -> KirklesWorth: That’s too late. She was elected the moment Trump won the nomination which is why I have always told you that it does not matter who you vote for.

  63. Mr. Freemarket says:

    On the one hand, global warmists could be stomping around in the floodwater yelling “I told you so.” However, there is the problem that Obama promised eight long years ago that his election would stop the rise of the oceans. Is that just another broken promise?

  64. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Here’s another theory. Conservatives stated that Trump wasn’t serious about his promises to deport 11 million illegals. Now he has provided additional evidence that he wasn’t serious about deporting 11 million illegals.

  65. TrojanMan says:

    Correct Hillary has already been elected but that does not change the fact you are a bat shit crazy stalker. Bye Bye troll.

  66. Mr. Freemarket says:

    So lemme see. We are supposed to be excited about a candidate that might deport the really bad illegals as opposed to the candidate that doesn’t think anyone should be deported?
    Is that the candidate that you really wanted to support?

  67. Mr. Freemarket says:

    If progressives didn’t have double standards, they would have no standards at all.

  68. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Obama tries hard to avoid all water hazards. Plus it isn’t like any of “his people” are affected.

  69. KirklesWorth says:

    Funny, the insult-thrower is you. I am reminded of these wise words by my mentor:

    Don’t be such a disingenuous douchebag. I tried having civil conversations with you previously in other posts. You went full retard, never go full retard. Selectivly edit what you like the response will be the same……GFY Good For You!

  70. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Well that will stop all the english-speaking rapists. Too bad that Ahmed and Mohammed don’t speak english.

  71. KirklesWorth says:

    Who said anything about excitement? Are you incapable of assessing who is better or worse than the other?

  72. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Actually if you have read your local paper recently, you probably see that it is full of leftist claptrap including global warming, progress of the LGVT movement, etc. Journalism is dead.

  73. KirklesWorth says:

    But Hillary is dead serious on her plans. Not confident enough that Trump can be controlled? What about Hillary?

    We need comprehensive immigration reform with a path to full and equal citizenship. If Congress won’t act, I’ll defend President Obama’s executive actions—and I’ll go even further to keep families together. I’ll end family detention, close private immigrant detention centers, and help more eligible people become naturalized.

    “I am committed to introducing comprehensive immigration reform and a path to legitimate citizenship within the first 100 days of my presidency,” Clinton said.

  74. TrojanMan says:

    Troll and stalker is not an insult but the truth, same as douchebag. Anything else you want to post from your creepy stalker log?

  75. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Drunk Hillary smiles more than sober Hillary.

  76. Mr. Freemarket says:

    How about a few articles on how hard Trump is working to win the presidency?

  77. KirklesWorth says:

    You mean my “creepy stalker log” called Disqus? I liked this one you posted:

    “ didn’t call him (Trump) a “progressive” – you did.” Never said they did.

    “How long are you going to hold out for a “hero conservative” In the republican party? Never, only progressives president candidates have been produced since Dole and voting Trump will only continue the status quo.

    How far left does the republican party have to go before you abandon it? Unless, you are a leftist. Which would make sense.

  78. KirklesWorth says:

    Sorry, I can only list what Torcer suggests to Dave Blount.

  79. Cruz Control says:

    Here’s a story that should make Torcer jizz in his pant before he has time to whip out a tissue.

    Hilary Accuses Trump of KKK Ties

    Forget all the times we would tell Democrats to take a hike with their phony KKK and “racist” accusastions…this time it’s real, I promise! -brain dead #NeverTwumper

  80. Torcer says:

    Also recall that AlGore promised all manner of increased hurricane activity..

  81. Bodhisattva says:

    A lot I could say but I’m stuck on EWWW!

    A transgender man in Charlottetown has filed a complaint with the P.E.I. Human Rights Commission alleging he was refused service at a local salon because of his transgender status.

    Kristen McKay says he went into Carrie’s Esthetic Salon in downtown Charlottetown on Tuesday afternoon to get his nails and makeup done and for makeup lessons.

    McKay said a woman at the salon informed him that she didn’t do services for men, and when McKay replied that he’s not a man but a transgender woman, McKay was still refused service.

    “I felt like I was a piece of garbage. I was worthless,” said McKay.

    He got that right.

    But he’s wrong about why he was refused service. He was refused service because no matter what he wants to believe and no matter how many idiot lunatic liberal moonbats want to encourage him, he’s a man and the shop doesn’t provide services to men. He may have a case for sexual discrimination based on that, but not on the grounds he’s claiming.

  82. Bodhisattva says:

    Only because they know what a wimp Obama is:

    They would never be this close if they didn’t know Obama was a pushover.

  83. Bodhisattva says:

    Refusing to admit/accept reality:

    Despite government data supporting Donald Trump’s claim that blacks are worse off under President Obama, the White House insisted Thursday that blacks have made progress UNDER the first black president and that the Republican nominee would reverse those gains.

    I have to admit more of them are getting regular income without doing anything to earn it…

  84. seaoh says:

    would be funny if it weren’t so true

  85. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Romney lost in 2012 not because he was the better candidate, but because he failed to energize the conservative base. I personally thought he was a shoe in because he was so much better than Obama. I don’t want to see history repeat itself.

  86. Mr. Freemarket says:

    People are not motivated to go to the polls to vote against the candidate. If somebody thinks they’re going to vote for Trump to decrease the number of illegals coming into the country, and then Trump softens his position, is that person going to go out of his way to vote for Trump?

  87. Mr. Freemarket says:

    What? No pom-poms for Trump? What kind of a Trump supporter are you?

  88. Mr. Freemarket says:

    And then he buys a house on the coast. If he really believes in global warming, wouldn’t he be buying on Highground?

  89. Feet2Fire says:

    Scary. Typical of the “ALT LEFT.”

  90. Feet2Fire says:

    Yikes! That woman’s got “more faces than Eve.”

  91. KirklesWorth says:

    Maybe, but “shoe-in” seems a little too optimistic to me. Romneycare was a burden and he didn’t have a plan for removing Obamacare, he chose Paul Ryan as VP, called 47% of voters “moochers”, hat 1/6 the election “manpower on the ground”, tax return problems, hurricane disruptions, Chris Christie’s betrayal, didn’t press the Benghazi issue, he didn’t go after his opponents very well, and as always the left-wing media ran the game.

    According to, a comparison between Romney and Trump results in:

    Individual Rights: both moderately conservative
    Domestic Issues: both moderately conservative
    Economic Issues: Romney very conservative, Trump moderately conservative
    Defense and International Issues: Romney slightly conservative, Trump slightly liberal

  92. KirklesWorth says:

    What the devil are you talking about? Of course people vote against candidates – that’s a big topic of this election cycle:

    Are you a one-issue voter? Is it only illegal immigration? Because if it is, you definitely don’t want Hillary as your president.

  93. KirklesWorth says:

    That’s rich coming from somebody tacitly supporting Hillary. What kind of a republican are you? What kind of an American are you?

  94. Mr. Freemarket says:

    One who understands and upholds the constitution.

  95. KirklesWorth says:

    Really? Me too! Who will do that best?

  96. Mr. Freemarket says:

    In other words, Trump may be to the left of Romney. Has raised less money, is less organized. And he is moving to the left.
    He’s got it in the bag.

  97. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Citing left wing media?
    And no, I don’t want Hillary as president.

  98. KirklesWorth says:

    Obviously not with so-called “conservatives” torpedoing him like you. I think I listed several other failures by Romney just a comment above…? Obviously the so-called “conservatives” demand that he move completely right, which would lose the moderate voters. I guess the so-called “conservatives” blew their chance to get on Trump’s good side, so now he’s moving to where the real votes are. The Pew Research Center says:

    12% of republicans want illegal citizenship
    41% of republicans want better border security and stronger law enforcement
    45% of republicans want both

    29% say prioritize illegal citizenship
    24% say better border security
    45% say both

    76% say illegals are as hard working and honest as U.S. Citizens
    67% say illegals are no more likely than citizens to commit serious crimes

  99. KirklesWorth says:

    Yep. Are they wrong?

    Okay, which do you “don’t want” more, Trump or Hillary? Since there are four options:

    1. vote for Trump
    2. vote for Hillary
    3. vote for third party
    4. don’t vote

    Options 3-4 would permit a Hillary vote not to be cancelled out by a Trump vote (thus enabling Hillary).

  100. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Too many conservatives in 2012 chose option 4.
    I hate for history to repeat itself.

  101. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Romney locked up the moderate vote. Where he lost was by not locking up the conservative base.
    I hate it when history repeats itself.

  102. Mr. Freemarket says:

    The real question is who will do the least damage.

  103. KirklesWorth says:

    Yeah, you’d think the so-called “conservatives” would learn.

  104. KirklesWorth says:

    Exactly! And that is…?

  105. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Yes you would. Like the folly of nominating another rhino instead of an actual conservative.

  106. KirklesWorth says:

    I guess moderate republicans take to the polls more than conservative republicans…? And now that the conservatives didn’t get Ted Cruz, they want to take all their marbles and go home.

  107. Mr. Freemarket says:

    We’ve been running nothing but moderates since 1984. How well has that worked?

  108. KirklesWorth says:

    Not very well. Who’s going to give in?

  109. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Some people do not learn very well from the mistakes they have made.

  110. KirklesWorth says:

    True. And what would be the best thing to do in November to minimize any more mistakes?

  111. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Vote for another barely moderate republican and listen to all the excuses

  112. KirklesWorth says:

    Sounds like a plan. #1 defeat Hillary, #2 deal with Trump.

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