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Oct 04 2017

Open Thread

guns-drugs

Via Paul Joseph Watson.



122 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. saturn says:

    And gun control works so well in Chicago!
    No law-abiding citizens have guns.

  2. Bodhisattva says:

    The Justice Department Is Investigating Harvard’s Admissions Practices
    The department told organizations that requested information about investigations into admissions at Harvard that records they asked for were exempt under the Freedom of Information Act.

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/zoetillman/the-justice-department-has-an-active-investigation-into?utm_term=.odkoBEDm5d#.gi5879XvxV

    The US Department of Justice suggested the investigation’s active status in a letter, dated Sept. 29, that was sent in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by a government watchdog group and a civil rights organization seeking records about investigations into admissions practices at Harvard University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The FOIA request was made in August in response to reports that DOJ would be launching an investigation related to allegations of discrimination against American-Asian students.

    American-Asian students? What about whites, males and white males! They’re the ones that universities (that are run by moonbats) are discriminating against – OPENLY!

  3. Bodhisattva says:

    Now before you go to the link – try to guess his race/ethnicity – and his last name is KUHN (pronounced “coon”).

    Man Running From Police After Shoplifitng at Wal-Mart Crashes and Steps Over Dying Son Who Was Ejected From Car: Affidavit

    http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/crime/man-running-from-police-steps-over-dying-son-who-was-ejected-from-car-affidavit/480893373

    A 2-year-old boy was killed in a multi-car crash on Tuesday after police say his father crashed his car while fleeing after an alleged theft at a Walmart.

    Authorities say the suspect, 27-year-old Christopher Kuhn of Hamilton, New Jersey, fled in a gold Jeep after allegedly stealing $228-worth of merchandise from Walmart, CBS Philadelphia reports.

    According to investigators, Kuhn ran a red light, T-boned another car which then crashed into a third vehicle. The young boy, who was in the car, was ejected into the roadway, according to an affidavit.

    Kuhn ran away after the crash, police said, stepping over his injured son on the roadway before fleeing. Officers ran after Kuhn, catching and arresting him, while others tended to the toddler, the affidavit said.

    Is his baby momma gonna be mad at him!

  4. GUN GRABBER DON says:

    .
    Crazy Nutwork News makes it official, becoming media outlet for the moslem brotherhood:

    How America has silently accepted the rage of white men

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/opinions/mass-shootings-white-male-rage-modan-opinion/index.html

    They even have moslem invaders pontificating..
    .

  5. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Yes, in addition to the government outlawing drugs, let’s remember the wild success they had when they changed the constitution so that the federal government could outlaw alcohol.

    That, too, worked out so well.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Leftists and their loyal cronies need all the guns– that’s how they’ll achieve redistribution of wealth!
    http://gemstatepatriot.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/socialism-604×270.jpg

  7. Anonymous says:

    Yup. Leftists don’t want to ban guns; they just don’t want anyone else to have them.

  8. Anonymous says:

    Virtue-signaling douche. I’m sure the cop thought, “Awright, free guns!”

  9. Anonymous says:

    Of course, she means it’s not fair…
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRMswEAWIAECxFi.jpg

  10. master of sinanju says:

    Yeah, could do a whole lotta damage with that .22 cal rifle there bud. sarc

  11. Kevcar says:

    Well, it’s still a mostly free country and if he wants to turn over his 22 rifle (look at the size of the magazine), he certainly can. It won’t make one iota of difference but hey if he feels better then that’s good I guess? I’m sure the cops were happy to accept a freebie.

  12. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Reporting the driver’s last name is racist.

  13. Mr. Freemarket says:

    BTW, If I want to marry four wives, why aren’t you tolerant enough to allow that? It’s part of my culture and beliefs.

    Of course we didn’t allow that 150 years ago either. My how times have changed.

  14. Mr. Freemarket says:

    It is a thought crime to not be willing to freely give up your wealth to the government.

  15. Torcer says:

    Bodhisattva I think you misread me.

    Then what did you mean when you said:

    Bodhisattva Since neither Torcer nor Kirklesworth will be the adult and let the other rant on like a child and just ignore them,

    Bodhisattva Of course you are allowed to defend yourself if you feel you must. But in doing so consider that you also may be damaging yourself.

    And how is that the case?
    Isn’t far more damaging to allow someone to spew lies days after day?
    Put yourself in my place – would you want to defend yourself having someone besmirch your reputation day after day after day?

    Bodhisattva I am not sure anyone really cares who started it or who is the aggressor at this point.

    Why are you reluctant to see the truth of this matter?
    Are you afraid of incurring it’s wrath?

  16. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Mao was such a loving, caring leader, too. Only 70 million Chinese died under his administration.

  17. The same folks who brought us Prohibition a century ago now want Gun Prohibition. It will end the same way – driving a massive increase in crime more than any other effect.

  18. Mr. Freemarket says:

    “The great thing about prohibiting anything is that it will also make some people wealthy.”

    This message is brought to you with grateful thanks by the Kennedy Family.

  19. ICEvictim says:

    so some Nancy Boy bought himself a .22 cal “assault rifle” to try on his man panties and found out even that squirrel gun is noisy and all his Merlot swilling cheese party friends are aghast at his trip on to the Dark Side.

    Now that he’s got his Rambo chops he’s going to give it over to the po-po before the weapon seduces him into committing mass murder. Or something. The cheese party will be relieved. One of their own is back from the Dark Side.

    someone needs to put up this sign

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9136cd22335db07e48b260e912b82de4336116b67c9d9be9397f72d2ca34972a.png

  20. Bodhisattva says:

    There are so many things wrong in this story:

    http://www.ibtimes.com/woman-dragged-out-southwest-airlines-flight-claims-she-was-racially-profiled-2597669

    Woman Dragged Out Of Southwest Airlines Flight Claims She Was Racially Profiled

    First, let’s start with “emotional support animals”. Someone that is so fragile they must have an “emotional support animal” to cope with life should probably be institutionalized, or at least restricted to their home, until that condition no longer exists.

    Second, this woman brought this on herself by complaining about the animals, apparently two dogs, though one isn’t clearly identified as such, on the plane. The story states:

    “Initial reports indicate the customer in the video stated that she had a life-threatening pet allergy…”

    but she’s also apparently black and a Muslim and you know how Muslims feel about dogs. The fact she claimed she had said allergy triggered a requirement – that being that she was required to provide a “medical certificate”, essentially a not from her doctor, which, surprise, it turns out she didn’t have. Sounds like this snowflake was just trying to assert her “privilege” over the two snowflakes who brought dogs on the plane.

    And finally had she not claimed she had a “life-threatening” condition none of this would have happened, yet now she denies doing so.

    This isn’t the first time a person has been told they have to get off a plane and has refused. It is possible the first person who had this sort of thing happened didn’t know how such incidents turn out or what the rules are, but by now you have to be pretty ignorant NOT to know that when you’re told you have to leave the plane you’re going to leave the plane either voluntarily or by force.

    And note it will be Southwest that will be blamed and will probably end up giving her the jackpot settlement she is no doubt seeking.

  21. Bodhisattva says:

    Yeah I should get a couple of those signs, or one with space for a few addresses.

  22. KirklesWorth says:

    I laugh every time you talk about being an adult after the times you’ve childishly referred to me with the derogatory pronoun “it”. Like the posts where you said it 7 times here, 10 times here, 15 times here, 18 times here, etc..

    Let me paraphrase your words for the current scenario: “Here I am defending myself against someone spewing lies and trying to besmirch my reputation time after time after time.” Hey, here’s a thought – why don’t you stop lying about me and attacking the patriots who defeated Hillary (unlike you) and then maybe I won’t have to correct you.

    Trying subterfuge by replying to @Bodhisativa:disqus‘s thread to avoid getting called out on starting attack threads I see (as illustrated below)…so be it. Your post is the same one you posted here that didn’t get answered, so you are pestering Bodhisativa on a new thread in an attempt to taunt Bodhisativa into replying. Classy! Bodhisativa needn’t worry about any “wrath” whatsoever – after all, Bodhisativa doesn’t lie in an attempt to cover up the willingness to surrender the 2016 election to Hillary. Speaking of which…

    Torcer has a long history of attacking conservative Trump supporters and attacked them again on 09/07/2017 (below) as a “cult following” who made a “mistake” defeating Hillary:

    geeknerd: Will the NeverTrumpsters start shouting “See!, We told you so!”? You know they’re just waiting to say it.
    Torcer: Will some of a certain cult following admit their mistake?
    TrojanMan: Here we go again… LOL
    KirklesWorth: What “mistake”? Not letting Hillary win?

    In an attempt to cover up Torcer to cover up his/her attacks, Torcer has resorted to fabricating a 2-part lie about me as a so-called “originator of attacks against conservatives” when (1) I didn’t attack conservatives – Torcer did, and (2) Torcer was the originator recently (above) as well as in the past. Apparently, having the audacity to ask What “mistake”? Not letting Hillary win? of Torcer is laughably an “attack”. Having been called out on his/her attack on Trump conservatives, Torcer is desperately trying to cover up his/her history by distractively accusing me of what he/she is guilty of: Torcer claims there are other “attacks” by me but won’t cite them because of my demonstration that he/she was a Hillary lackey.

    Here are Torcer’s desperate attempts to cover his/her tracks and transfer the malice on to me by calling me “the originator of attacks against conservatives” (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23) and variations on that theme.

    Here are the attack threads for September 2017 that torcer started against me: 1. 09/09/2017, 2. 09/11/2017, 3. 09/13/2017, 4. 09/13/2017, 5. 09/13/2017, 6. 09/13/2017, 7. 09/15/2017, 8. 09/15/2017, 9. 09/19/2017, 10. 09/19/2017, 11. 09/19/2017, 12. 09/20/2017, 13. 09/20/2017, 14. 09/20/2017, 15. 09/26/2017, 16. 09/27/2017, 17. 09/28/2017, 18. 09/28/2017, 19. 09/29.2017

    Here are the hypocritical cries for me to stop – keeping in consideration the attack threads Torcer started above:

    Torcer: Why do you waste everyone’s time with these endless attacks?
    Torcer: Why do you waste everyone’s time with these endless attacks?
    Torcer: Some of us are busying creating lesson plans and writing papers, and we don’t have time to waste arguing minutia.
    Torcer: Don’t you have anything better to do?
    Torcer: Same here, I do have some curiosity in trying figure it out, but as they say I have much bigger fish to fry:
    Torcer: Now, are we done with this incessant waste of time?

  23. Bodhisattva says:

    THE MORE THINGS CHANGE

    Yesterday the headline was “NEW HURRICANE HEADED FOR FLORIDA” and the various predictions supported that headline.

    Today the headline is “NEW HURRICANE HEADED FOR LOUISIANA” and the various predictions supported that headline.

    http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT16/refresh/AL162017_5day_cone_no_line_and_wind+png/144324_5day_cone_no_line_and_wind.png

    What will the headline be tomorrow?

    By the way, this hurricane’s track will essentially be a repeat of Katrina – in path if not in strength and result. I hope they learned and prepared.

  24. Bodhisattva says:

    NFL SNOWFLAKE SELF-IDENTIFIES:

    I doubt anyone called him the “N-word” and even if they did, he’s not man enough to ignore it?

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-redskins-chiefs-pryor-20171005-story.html

    Washington Redskins receiver Terrelle Pryor apologized Wednesday for cursing at and giving the middle finger to a Kansas City Chiefs fan following the teams’ game earlier this week. But he also said his behavior was a response to being called the N-word in that instance and several others that night.

    “Being called [the N-word] several times to the point where an NFL employee had to step to me and stand by me the whole game from the 2nd quarter on is the exact reason why guys are kneeling during anthem,” Pryor wrote in an Instagram Story post. “I choose not to kneel because as a team we decided to be the one and stand … but as I walked in tunnel hearing some one call me [the N-word] and say F you to me..me flicking the person off is more deserving.

    An NFL employee had to stand by him the whole game? Or what? Why?

    Last time I checked the reason some are kneeling is the lie that blacks are somehow GENERALLY treated poorly by police. Yeah, I’m sure it has happened and probably will happen again – but they’re trying to claim every time a police individual interacts with a black it’s unreasonable and due to racism, which is blatantly false.

    And what else is apparently false is the bit about someone having to stand by him during the whole game, since

    The exchange with the fan after the game took place as Pryor was leaving the field through a tunnel at Arrowhead Stadium on Monday night following the Redskins’ 29-20 loss to the Chiefs. TMZ posted video footage of the incident on Wednesday.”

  25. Bodhisattva says:

    WHEN MOONBATS ATTACK… OTHER MOONBATS!

    https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/oct/04/vogue-spat-shulman-enninful-fashion

    Ex-Vogue editor Alexandra Shulman thrusts stiletto into successor
    In scathing online column, Shulman appears to cast aspersions on celebrity obsession of Edward Enninful

    Writing for the Business of Fashion website, Shulman asked the question “what makes a great magazine editor?” She concluded that editing was “certainly not a job for someone who doesn’t wish to put in the hours and thinks that the main part of their job is being photographed in a series of designer clothes with a roster of famous friends”.

    Others, though, have taken Enninful’s side. A blogger writing for the Spectator under the pseudonym Pea Priestly has been highly critical of Shulman’s editorship, claiming it will be “defined by mediocrity, idiocy and flip-flops”, that Vogue was “borderline racist” during her reign – because it had only two covers featuring solo black models since 2002 – and that Enninful’s first act should be “to get rid of the whole anaemic team – every last Sloaney sloth”.

    So what, magazines like “Jet” that have never, ever featured a white person on their cover are racist?

  26. Bodhisattva says:

    WHEN MOONBATS ATTACK… OTHER MOONBATS!

    Democrats admit what we’ve known for some time:

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/11/time-for-nancy-pelosi-and-harry-reid/qHRxXc3pMsuhwqifD9Y3rJ/story.html

    Time for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to go

    And they can take John McCain and a few other RINOs with them!

    (NOTE: And Democrats have known it for some time as well… this story came to my attention via a current story, but the link I chose, since that one was behind a paywall, is from 3 years ago. If you search on a suitable phrase about Pelosi going you will find Democrats have been saying that for some time!)

  27. ICEvictim says:

    OMG! and then some douche nozzle calls the cops and complains they were triggered

  28. Bodhisattva says:

    WHEN MOONBATS ATTACK… OTHER MOONBATS!

    Better they attack each other than us – and good to see this one is saying they should stop supporting antifa and other fascist left wing groups and donate to the arts instead!

    But does New York need another concert hall, or an upgrade of an existing one? How about some city that doesn’t have one? Maybe bring the arts to a place that is lacking them instead?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/arts/david-geffen-lincoln-center-new-york.html

    David Geffen Criticizes ‘Shameful’ Lack of Support for Concert Hall

    The media mogul David Geffen, one of the cultural world’s leading philanthropists, attacked wealthy New Yorkers on Wednesday for what he called a “shameful” record of failing to donate to the city’s concert halls and allowing these institutions to downsize their ambitions.

    Mr. Geffen, in a telephone interview, was searing and candid about Lincoln Center’s announcement on Tuesday that it was scaling back a $500 million renovation of the New York Philharmonic’s home, David Geffen Hall, a project to which he had donated $100 million. Mr. Geffen spoke out on the same day that the Los Angeles County Museum of Art said he was donating $150 million — a dollar amount and a bit of timing that only highlighted the cultural rivalry between New York and Los Angeles for money and prestige.

    “That a city that has as many wealthy individuals who’ve made a fortune in New York — that they couldn’t show up and support the most important cultural institution in New York, I think is too bad and shameful,” Mr. Geffen said. “New York deserves to have the best concert hall for the Philharmonic. New York should have the best of everything.

    “I had hoped the money I gave them would inspire more giving,” he added. “Without great support, the opera in New York, the Philharmonic in New York — these kinds of institutions will greatly suffer.”

    Debora L. Spar, the new president of Lincoln Center, said in response to Mr. Geffen’s comments that New York is “an incredibly philanthropic city.”

  29. Bodhisattva says:

    The meme that heads this thread is particularly appropriate given the current crisis involving opioid based drugs.

    https://patch.com/us/across-america/todays-opioid-crisis-explained

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05j4b3g

  30. Bodhisattva says:

    You are allowed to defend yourself.

    You are also allowed to be the adult and ignore him.

    It’s simple – the choice is yours.

  31. Bodhisattva says:

    Only if one draws attention to it’s proper pronunciation…

  32. Torcer says:

    Well, clearly trying to ignore it has had no effect.
    Are you going to intervene on it’s behalf if I defend myself?

  33. Mr. Freemarket says:

    True. Kuhn is definitely a German name. Wonder how he ended up with it?

  34. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth I laugh every time you talk about being an adult after the times you’ve childishly referred to me with the derogatory pronoun “it”. Like the posts where you said it 7 times here, 10 times here, 15 times here, 18 times here, etc..

    This from someone who regularly use it’s name calling to avoid justifying it falsehood via circular logic.

    KirklesWorth Let me paraphrase your words for the current scenario: “Here I am defending myself against someone spewing lies and trying to besmirch my reputation time after time after time.” Hey, here’s a thought – why don’t you stop lying about me and attacking the patriots who defeated Hillary (unlike you) and then maybe I won’t have to correct you.

    Funny you should say that since I’ve been ignoring you for the past few days, and you kept up your attacks none the less.

    KirklesWorthTrying subterfuge by replying to @bodhisativa’s thread

    Ohhh.. subterfuge in posting on an open forum..

    You must waste a lot of time scanning all of these threads looking for the merest mention.
    How you you have the time to waste doing that?

  35. KirklesWorth says:

    LOL…what? Fine…keep calling me “it” for all the good it does you. Your childish taunting doesn’t change the fact that I am not obligated to provide you with anything – especially to your irrelevant questions. Oh, but I almost forgot – you always demanded excerpts, facts, links, etc. of me before when it wasn’t as easy as it is now (I wonder why the change of heart?): 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48

    You are wasting time starting another attack thread against me just like you did these times in September: 1. 09/09/2017, 2. 09/11/2017, 3. 09/13/2017, 4. 09/13/2017, 5. 09/13/2017, 6. 09/13/2017, 7. 09/15/2017, 8. 09/15/2017, 9. 09/19/2017, 10. 09/19/2017, 11. 09/19/2017, 12. 09/20/2017, 13. 09/20/2017, 14. 09/20/2017, 15. 09/26/2017, 16. 09/27/2017, 17. 09/28/2017, 18. 09/28/2017, 19. 09/29.2017

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Torcer. But don’t forget this little gem that covers several things you’ve lied about.

  36. Torcer says:

    And once again it shows that it doesn’t have the chops to debate like an adult and has to play games with posting such as this:

    KirklesWorth

    LOL…what? Fine…keep calling me “it” for all the good it does you. Your childish taunting doesn’t change the fact that I am not obligated to provide you with anything – especially to your irrelevant questions. Oh, but I almost forgot – you always demanded excerpts, facts, links, etc. of me before when it wasn’t as easy as it is now (I wonder why the change of heart?): 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48

    You are wasting time starting another attack thread against me just like you did these times in September: 1. 09/09/2017, 2. 09/11/2017, 3. 09/13/2017, 4. 09/13/2017, 5. 09/13/2017, 6. 09/13/2017, 7. 09/15/2017, 8. 09/15/2017, 9. 09/19/2017, 10. 09/19/2017, 11. 09/19/2017, 12. 09/20/2017, 13. 09/20/2017, 14. 09/20/2017, 15. 09/26/2017, 16. 09/27/2017, 17. 09/28/2017, 18. 09/28/2017, 19. 09/29.2017

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Torcer. But don’t forget this little gem that covers several things you’ve lied about.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552287085

  37. Bodhisattva says:

    Some woman in his family tree married a NAZI spy prior to WWII?

    He was adopted?

    The man who owned one of his forefathers was named Kuhn and it was common to give the slaveowners name to the slaves, I’m told.

    Shortened/Americanized version of Kunta Kinte?

  38. Bodhisattva says:

    Well, clearly trying to ignore it has had no effect.

    Sadly, you seem to be correct.

    Are you going to intervene on it’s behalf if I defend myself?

    If either of you goes overboard I might criticize your methods, but not your right to defend yourself, other than maybe to continue to say that feeding the trolls is what encourages them to keep coming back – a lesson I occasionally ignore myself, so feel free to ignore it if you wish.

    Both of you occasionally make valuable contributions here. That is what I’m afraid of losing.

  39. Torcer says:

    You commented once that you thought we were on the same side. And curiously enough I thought that was the case as well, not withstanding the unusual circumstances of the primary season.

    But now it’s actions have called into question to say the least.

    Keep in mind that I have other places that I can go and from it’s actions, it will soon turn on others here, driving them away.

  40. Torcer says:

    And once again it shows that it doesn’t have the chops to debate like an adult and has to play games with posting such as this:

    KirklesWorth

    Torcer: Why do you waste everyone’s time with these endless attacks?
    Torcer: Why do you waste everyone’s time with these endless attacks?
    Torcer: Some of us are busying creating lesson plans and writing papers, and we don’t have time to waste arguing minutia.
    Torcer: Don’t you have anything better to do?
    Torcer: Same here, I do have some curiosity in trying figure it out, but as they say I have much bigger fish to fry:
    Torcer: Now, are we done with this incessant waste of time?
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552366620

  41. KirklesWorth says:

    Attack threads instigated against me so far on this Open Thread: 1 2 3

    Attack threads against me last month: 1. 09/09/2017, 2. 09/11/2017, 3. 09/13/2017, 4. 09/13/2017, 5. 09/13/2017, 6. 09/13/2017, 7. 09/15/2017, 8. 09/15/2017, 9. 09/19/2017, 10. 09/19/2017, 11. 09/19/2017, 12. 09/20/2017, 13. 09/20/2017, 14. 09/20/2017, 15. 09/26/2017, 16. 09/27/2017, 17. 09/28/2017, 18. 09/28/2017, 19. 09/29.2017

    I wonder if there is a pattern…? Conveniently ignoring hypocrisy for one.

  42. Torcer says:

    So is posting a comment instigating an attack?
    This from someone who Conveniently ignores it’s own actions

    KirklesWorth

    Attack threads instigated against me so far on this Open Thread: 1 2 3

    Attack threads against me last month: 1. 09/09/2017, 2. 09/11/2017, 3. 09/13/2017, 4. 09/13/2017, 5. 09/13/2017, 6. 09/13/2017, 7. 09/15/2017, 8. 09/15/2017, 9. 09/19/2017, 10. 09/19/2017, 11. 09/19/2017, 12. 09/20/2017, 13. 09/20/2017, 14. 09/20/2017, 15. 09/26/2017, 16. 09/27/2017, 17. 09/28/2017, 18. 09/28/2017, 19. 09/29.2017

    I wonder if there is a pattern…? Conveniently ignoring hypocrisy for one.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552392912

  43. Bodhisattva says:

    When I said “we” I meant the three of us, not just you and I.

    The actions of Kirklesworth seem to be motivated by his perception you’re still somewhat virulently anti-Trump while he may be equally virulently pro-Trump. Or at least anti-Hillary. I don’t know for sure – speculation is the best I can do, having extremely limited views of both of you.

  44. Torcer says:

    No, I meant the three if us.
    I no longer consider that to be the case.
    I had disagreements with other supporters of the man, but those ended months ago.
    it’s either believing it own lies or there is something else at work here. And I submit that the circumstances give some from the left a perfect opportunity to attack the Right.

    But consider this: On my side of the argument, I have 70,000+ comments on disqus and 81,000+ tweets that say one thing.

    Contrast that with it’s circular logic based on cherry picking meaningless data points from random events…

    Which makes a better case?
    A mountain of evidence that says I oppose the national socialist left and it’s dishonest leadership..

    or.. weak implications based on a pittance of meaningless data.

  45. Torcer says:

    Why?
    Mass Murder in Las Vegas: Why

    There was a time before the advent of CAD systems that engineers would use precisely cut sheets of plastic to draw up the components to an engineering system. Most machines had the same common elements and these templates helped form these systems. The same could be said about the sequence of articles endemic to the terrorist attacks that are becoming all too frequent these days.

    With depressing repetition a common set of stories and opinion pieces begin to emerge as soon as the first reports echo across the wires. At first these are incorrect or conflicting reports of what happened, followed up by the number dead and wounded. Consequently, even with the most tenuous connection with firearms the calls for more people control follow soon after. Then there will be the endless rudimentary examinations of the shooter or shooters, questions over whether it was terror or not and still more calls for people control and so on ad nauseam.

    t is equally depressing that one can draw up a flowchart of how the news cycle will play out depending on the particular circumstances of the attack. These will determine the life cycle of the story depending on the ethnicity and/or ideological or religious bent of the perpetrator(s). Oftentimes there will be odd occurrences that remain unexplained that spawn all manner of conspiracy theories and alternative narratives.

    t is equally depressing that one can draw up a flowchart of how the news cycle will play out depending on the particular circumstances of the attack. These will determine the life cycle of the story depending on the ethnicity and/or ideological or religious bent of the perpetrator(s). Oftentimes there will be odd occurrences that remain unexplained that spawn all manner of conspiracy theories and alternative narratives.
    [..]
    t is equally depressing that one can draw up a flowchart of how the news cycle will play out depending on the particular circumstances of the attack. These will determine the life cycle of the story depending on the ethnicity and/or ideological or religious bent of the perpetrator(s). Oftentimes there will be odd occurrences that remain unexplained that spawn all manner of conspiracy theories and alternative narratives.
    We’ve lost our moral grounding

    It should be patently obvious that these attacks are a vestige of our society’s recent loss of moral grounding and not merely caused by objects that have been around for centuries. Repeating firearms have been around for 160 years, explosives for around 1000 years and edged weapon can be traced back to the stone age, and yet these attacks are a recent phenomena, Why?
    Don’t make it worse

    It is axiomatic that you cannot fix something that is wrong without properly diagnosing its cause. The wrong solution can often be worse than the original problem. The experience of Chicago and other “gun free” environs are prime fascia evidence that politically motivated attacks on mere objects only serves to exacerbate what is already a dire situation.

    We can only fix this problem by getting back to what has stopped these kinds of morally reprehensible actions in the past, there is no other solution.
    http://noqreport.com/2017/10/04/why/

  46. Anonymous says:

    Well, having flown Southwest a lot, they probably looked at each other, said “eh, screw it, we’ll get sued either way” and booted her off on general principles.

  47. KirklesWorth says:

    Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) When I say “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee”, that is my answer, your dissatisfaction notwithstanding.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) I refused to answer the question to your terms (“beyond superficialities”? LOL!), but I did answer the question for the umpteenth time “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee” – you just don’t like the answer I gave.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) You don’t have skin in the game, so how do us Trump supporters effect you and your non-existent candidate?
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Trump – republican candidate – voting for. There, it was explained.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Sounds like the best chance for victory to me (oops, I think I just disclosed reason number two!), but then again I’m a pragmatist – not an idealist. The other reasons pale in comparison.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) I have plenty of reasons for voting for Trump – thanks for asking. I already gave you the number one, most important, non-“superficial” reason of all – because he is the republican candidate.

    This apparently was not good enough for Torcer whom I supposedly had to “sell” (the NeverTrumper) on Trump:

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) Now, were you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond your ‘republican candidate’ non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) What are your reasons to vote for Trump aside from Comrade Clinton.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) If you cannot it is worthless.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) That doesn’t answer the question.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) No, if you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond that non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►762×51: (08/01/2016) Despite repeated attempts to try and elicit answers as to why one should Trump – aside from the old standby involving Comrade Clinton.

  48. Anonymous says:

    P.S. Carlos Mencia here does a bit about Southwest…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpvC88ZJ8vI

  49. KirklesWorth says:

    How about this “circular logic based on cherry picking meaningless data points from random events”:

    Torcer: Donald is vulgar, speaks at 4th grade level and is incapable of acting presidential (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: Donald Trump is the most unpopular presidential candidate since the former head of the ku Klux Klan (2 3)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you of Donald’s myriad business failures and bankruptcies (2)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you of Donald’s Tabloid background (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you of the polls and analysis that show Donald Losing in the general election (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald advocates violence and intimidation tactics (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald changed parties at least 5 times (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald doesn’t care about property rights (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald doesn’t care about the 1st amendment (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald doesn’t care about the 2nd amendment (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is a charlatan and a scam artist of the highest order and is in the middle of a fraud trial (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is a misogynist (2 3)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is an habitual Liar – and projects that onto others (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is being favored by the media – at the moment (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald Is not Prepared for the General Election (2 3 4 5 6 7 8)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is willing to work with the national socialist left (2 3 4 5 6 7 8)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald isn’t a Conservative (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald liked the Obamacare mandate (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald stated: “I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to” (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald still Hasn’t Paid Veterans their Charity Money (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald touts conspiracy theories (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald was close to Bernie Sanders in policy (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that even if he doesn’t they win anyway since they know he’s a leftist (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that the national socialist left desperately wanted Donald to be the nominee to lose to Comrade Clinton (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)

  50. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth

    Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) When I say “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee”, that is my answer, your dissatisfaction notwithstanding.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) I refused to answer the question to your terms (“beyond superficialities”? LOL!), but I did answer the question for the umpteenth time “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee” – you just don’t like the answer I gave.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) You don’t have skin in the game, so how do us Trump supporters effect you and your non-existent candidate?
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Trump – republican candidate – voting for. There, it was explained.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Sounds like the best chance for victory to me (oops, I think I just disclosed reason number two!), but then again I’m a pragmatist – not an idealist. The other reasons pale in comparison.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) I have plenty of reasons for voting for Trump – thanks for asking. I already gave you the number one, most important, non-“superficial” reason of all – because he is the republican candidate.

    This apparently was not good enough for Torcer whom I supposedly had to “sell” on Trump:

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) Now, were you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond your ‘republican candidate’ non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) What are your reasons to vote for Trump aside from Comrade Clinton.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) If you cannot it is worthless.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) That doesn’t answer the question.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) No, if you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond that non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►762×51: (08/01/2016) Despite repeated attempts to try and elicit answers as to why one should Trump – aside from the old standby involving Comrade Clinton.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552515243

  51. Torcer says:

    Note that aside from it’s attempt at currying your favor and lying once again, it didn’t actually have anything substantive to add to the conversation.

    KirklesWorth

    Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552515243

  52. Torcer says:

    Note that aside from it’s attempt at currying favor and lying once again, it didn’t actually have anything substantive to add to the conversation.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fcb701685bb7ed906c0393b2d7ed7b0d70cd557d8106d0197ec32e6e3c4c1c1b.jpg

    KirklesWorth

    Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552515243

  53. KirklesWorth says:

    You didn’t say what my “lies” were.

    You had no plan to defeat Hillary.
    You said you had no candidate:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    I didn’t lie – you did.

  54. KirklesWorth says:

    You should probably wait for my reply before starting the fourth attack thread on the Open Thread today. I’ve already proven:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: You didn’t say what my “lies” were.

    You had no plan to defeat Hillary.
    You said you had no candidate:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    I didn’t lie – you did.

    Funny how things that don’t work to your advantage somehow don’t “actually have anything substantive to add to the conversation” – which is why you edit it out completely. I was responding to Bodhisattva who stated:

    Bodhisattva►Torcer: (10/05/2017) When I said “we” I meant the three of us, not just you and I. The actions of Kirklesworth seem to be motivated by his perception you’re still somewhat virulently anti-Trump while he may be equally virulently pro-Trump. Or at least anti-Hillary. I don’t know for sure – speculation is the best I can do, having extremely limited views of both of you.

    My response to Bodhisattva which Torcer barely cited just enough to suit Torcer‘s needs:

    KirklesWorth►Bodhisattva: Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) When I say “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee”, that is my answer, your dissatisfaction notwithstanding.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) I refused to answer the question to your terms (“beyond superficialities”? LOL!), but I did answer the question for the umpteenth time “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee” – you just don’t like the answer I gave.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) You don’t have skin in the game, so how do us Trump supporters effect you and your non-existent candidate?
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Trump – republican candidate – voting for. There, it was explained.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Sounds like the best chance for victory to me (oops, I think I just disclosed reason number two!), but then again I’m a pragmatist – not an idealist. The other reasons pale in comparison.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) I have plenty of reasons for voting for Trump – thanks for asking. I already gave you the number one, most important, non-“superficial” reason of all – because he is the republican candidate.

    This apparently was not good enough for Torcer whom I supposedly had to “sell” (the NeverTrumper) on Trump:

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) Now, were you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond your ‘republican candidate’ non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) What are your reasons to vote for Trump aside from Comrade Clinton.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) If you cannot it is worthless.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) That doesn’t answer the question.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) No, if you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond that non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►762×51: (08/01/2016) Despite repeated attempts to try and elicit answers as to why one should Trump – aside from the old standby involving Comrade Clinton.

  55. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth

    You didn’t say what my “lies” were.

    You had no plan to defeat Hillary.
    You said you had no candidate:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    I didn’t lie – you did.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552572423

  56. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth

    You should probably wait for my reply before starting the fourth attack thread on the Open Thread today. I’ve already proven:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: You didn’t say what my “lies” were.

    You had no plan to defeat Hillary.
    You said you had no candidate:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    I didn’t lie – you did.

    Funny how things that don’t work to your advantage somehow don’t “actually have anything substantive to add to the conversation” – which is why you edit it out completely. I was responding to Bodhisattva who stated:

    Bodhisattva►Torcer: (10/05/2017) When I said “we” I meant the three of us, not just you and I. The actions of Kirklesworth seem to be motivated by his perception you’re still somewhat virulently anti-Trump while he may be equally virulently pro-Trump. Or at least anti-Hillary. I don’t know for sure – speculation is the best I can do, having extremely limited views of both of you.

    My response to Bodhisattva which Torcer barely cited just enough to suit Torcer’s needs:

    KirklesWorth►Bodhisattva: Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) When I say “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee”, that is my answer, your dissatisfaction notwithstanding.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) I refused to answer the question to your terms (“beyond superficialities”? LOL!), but I did answer the question for the umpteenth time “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee” – you just don’t like the answer I gave.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) You don’t have skin in the game, so how do us Trump supporters effect you and your non-existent candidate?
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Trump – republican candidate – voting for. There, it was explained.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Sounds like the best chance for victory to me (oops, I think I just disclosed reason number two!), but then again I’m a pragmatist – not an idealist. The other reasons pale in comparison.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) I have plenty of reasons for voting for Trump – thanks for asking. I already gave you the number one, most important, non-“superficial” reason of all – because he is the republican candidate.

    This apparently was not good enough for Torcer whom I supposedly had to “sell” (the NeverTrumper) on Trump:

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) Now, were you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond your ‘republican candidate’ non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) What are your reasons to vote for Trump aside from Comrade Clinton.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) If you cannot it is worthless.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) That doesn’t answer the question.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) No, if you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond that non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►762×51: (08/01/2016) Despite repeated attempts to try and elicit answers as to why one should Trump – aside from the old standby involving Comrade Clinton.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552574171

  57. Torcer says:

    And of course it tries to deflect from it’s lies by distracting from them:

    KirklesWorth

    You should probably wait for my reply before starting the fourth attack thread on the Open Thread today. I’ve already proven:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: You didn’t say what my “lies” were.

    You had no plan to defeat Hillary.
    You said you had no candidate:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    I didn’t lie – you did.

    Funny how things that don’t work to your advantage somehow don’t “actually have anything substantive to add to the conversation” – which is why you edit it out completely. I was responding to Bodhisattva who stated:

    Bodhisattva►Torcer: (10/05/2017) When I said “we” I meant the three of us, not just you and I. The actions of Kirklesworth seem to be motivated by his perception you’re still somewhat virulently anti-Trump while he may be equally virulently pro-Trump. Or at least anti-Hillary. I don’t know for sure – speculation is the best I can do, having extremely limited views of both of you.

    My response to Bodhisattva which Torcer barely cited just enough to suit Torcer’s needs:

    KirklesWorth►Bodhisattva: Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) When I say “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee”, that is my answer, your dissatisfaction notwithstanding.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) I refused to answer the question to your terms (“beyond superficialities”? LOL!), but I did answer the question for the umpteenth time “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee” – you just don’t like the answer I gave.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) You don’t have skin in the game, so how do us Trump supporters effect you and your non-existent candidate?
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Trump – republican candidate – voting for. There, it was explained.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Sounds like the best chance for victory to me (oops, I think I just disclosed reason number two!), but then again I’m a pragmatist – not an idealist. The other reasons pale in comparison.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) I have plenty of reasons for voting for Trump – thanks for asking. I already gave you the number one, most important, non-“superficial” reason of all – because he is the republican candidate.

    This apparently was not good enough for Torcer whom I supposedly had to “sell” (the NeverTrumper) on Trump:

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) Now, were you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond your ‘republican candidate’ non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) What are your reasons to vote for Trump aside from Comrade Clinton.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) If you cannot it is worthless.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) That doesn’t answer the question.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) No, if you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond that non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►762×51: (08/01/2016) Despite repeated attempts to try and elicit answers as to why one should Trump – aside from the old standby involving Comrade Clinton.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552574171

  58. Bodhisattva says:

    I’ll let you in on a little secret – well not so secret since I’ve already stated it more than once.

    Any post by either of you where you attack the other I pretty much skip right over and don’t bother to read.

    So if you have ANYTHING to say that is worth the rest of us reading (and you do, of course) please consider putting it in a post which does not have any references to Kirklesworth, direct or indirect, because that’s pretty much where I stop reading.

  59. Bodhisattva says:

    It appears both of you have impressive systems of tracking and recalling past comments. Beyond that, as I’ve noted, I don’t pay your negative comments back and forth much attention. I’m pretty sure nobody else does either. So I can’t really give valid answers to the questions you pose here.

    To me the only question is that, since the election is over, why are you two still fighting and I believe you’ve answered that you’re simply defending yourself against his continued attacks.

    Have I got that right?

  60. KirklesWorth says:

    Attack thread #5 against me on this Open Thread. This would qualify as what @torcer:disqus hypocritically complains about <a href="“having someone [pathetically try to] besmirch your reputation day after day after day”

    Torcer’s post above is a copy of the same comment Torcer posted here.

    Whatever Torcer accuses is what Torcer is guilty of. This time it is “deflecting” / “distracting” and “lies”. All Torcer does is copy my posts and bitch about them as though Torcer‘s “proof” is “self-evident” just because Torcer says so. Last time, Torcer said:

    Torcer►Bodhisattva: (10/05/2017) note that aside from it’s attempt at currying your favor and lying once again, it didn’t actually have anything substantive to add to the conversation.

    Ironically and hypocritically, Torcer had earlier on this Open Thread attempted to (1) curry @Bodhisattva:disqus’s favor, (2) lied, and (3) didn’t have anything substantive to add to the conversation. Let’s review these three points:

    (1) Torcer attempted to curry favor with Bodhisattva:

    Torcer►Bodhisattva: (10/03/2017) And how is that the case? Isn’t far more damaging to allow someone to spew lies days after day? Put yourself in my place – would you want to defend yourself having someone besmirch your reputation day after day after day? Bodhisattva: I am not sure anyone really cares who started it or who is the aggressor at this point. Torcer: Why are you reluctant to see the truth of this matter? Are you afraid of incurring it’s wrath?

    (2) Torcer lied about me “lying” that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary. My proof of Torcer‘s lie is:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    (3) Torcer didn’t have anything substantive to add to the conversation except for lies and complaining.

  61. KirklesWorth says:

    #1 This comment was duplicated above as a new attack thread and responded to here.

  62. KirklesWorth says:

    If I may attempt to curry your favor, you can review how the scenario unfolded since it started with:

    geeknerd: Will the NeverTrumpsters start shouting “See!, We told you so!”? You know they’re just waiting to say it.
    Torcer: Will some of a certain cult following admit their mistake?
    TrojanMan Here we go again… LOL
    KirklesWorth: What “mistake”? Not letting Hillary win?

    It didn’t have to be contentious, yet the challenges kept on coming. Torcer would comment and I would respond – as it continues. I applaud you for maintaining your neutrality (oops…more favor currying). Since Torcer doesn’t have mad dog to cover his/her back, Torcer is looking for help to try and suppress the unwanted comments/commenters. After all, @Bodhisattva:disqus is one of the few Moonbattery veterans who can cordially interact with people.

  63. Torcer says:

    Note that aside from it’s attempt at currying your favor and lying once again, it didn’t actually have anything substantive to add to the conversation.

    KirklesWorth

    Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552515243

  64. Torcer says:

    Actually that seems to be it’s forte, not mine…. as I keep stating over and over.. I have better things to do than deal with someone who keeps on attacking Conservatives.

    Perhaps you can answer your own question by noting how it keeps dredging up the past and arguing over past events.

    And put yourself in my place – would you want some incessantly attacking you? I ignored it for several days, and it kept up it’s attacks.

    I’m willing to engage in civil debate in the issues – it is not. Oh it will post long list of defensive questions to avoid answering questions to it, but it rarely debates the issues – why is that?

  65. KirklesWorth says:

    #2 This comment was duplicated above as a new attack thread and responded to here.

  66. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth

    Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) When I say “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee”, that is my answer, your dissatisfaction notwithstanding.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/27/2016) I refused to answer the question to your terms (“beyond superficialities”? LOL!), but I did answer the question for the umpteenth time “which is that I am voting for Trump because he is the republican nominee” – you just don’t like the answer I gave.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) You don’t have skin in the game, so how do us Trump supporters effect you and your non-existent candidate?
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Trump – republican candidate – voting for. There, it was explained.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) Sounds like the best chance for victory to me (oops, I think I just disclosed reason number two!), but then again I’m a pragmatist – not an idealist. The other reasons pale in comparison.
    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (07/28/2016) I have plenty of reasons for voting for Trump – thanks for asking. I already gave you the number one, most important, non-“superficial” reason of all – because he is the republican candidate.

    This apparently was not good enough for Torcer whom I supposedly had to “sell” (the NeverTrumper) on Trump:

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) Now, were you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond your ‘republican candidate’ non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) What are your reasons to vote for Trump aside from Comrade Clinton.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) If you cannot it is worthless.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/27/2016) That doesn’t answer the question.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/28/2016) No, if you were a TRUE Trump supporter you would have a number of reasons beyond that non-answer.
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (07/31/2016) Now is the time for you to sell Trump’s candidacy – IF YOU CAN. [Something OTHER than he’s the GOP Nominee]
    Torcer►762×51: (08/01/2016) Despite repeated attempts to try and elicit answers as to why one should Trump – aside from the old standby involving Comrade Clinton.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552515243

  67. KirklesWorth says:

    Odd, I was just reviewing comments made by Tom and it looks like your tactics being used over and over. You see, you introduced “it’s forte” which means I get to defend myself with those who have stated it is your forte:

    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) Wondering why no attribution for this but then I see that you wrote it yourself! You sure do get around, don’t you Tor? Torcer? Here’s one reply to this post on floppingaces: “Tor, next to being piss poor journalist and and true socialist… Tor, did you buy your degree?…” Here’s another reply to your floppingaces column, from May… “No more doubt in my mind. Tor is a propaganda spammer for the #NeverTrump movement.” Posting here, posting there, providing anti-Trump “tips”…almost 42,000 disqus posts in less than 11 months!…posting columns at floppingaces, all of them slamming the only hope we have to avoid a Hillary presidency…almost like you’re getting paid for all your work and effort in decrying, demeaning, and demonizing Trump. So who signs your paychecks?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) See? I can cite internet stuff about logic, too – just like you! But you’e still avoiding the question, aren’t you? When someone asks you, “So what do you do for a living?”, do you tell them: “I’m a proud, multi-platform, 24x7x365, WAY-more-than-100-posts-per-day purveyor of anti-Trump propaganda to supposed conservative websites.”? If you were honest, that’s what you would say. Who signs your paychecks, tor/cer?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) You’re sounding desperate…The Washington Post? Post after post after post of anti-Trump propaganda…do you have a staff working on getting these posts all queued up? You were able to recall, edit, and post these 2- and 3-day old editorials – with ellipses and bold print – just like that, huh? And you do this all on your own, no financial interest in pretending to be just an average Joe, just postin’ stuff to keep y’all informed fellow on disqus?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) Try acting like a real person and stop pretending that you’re just some average joe, posting hundreds, thousands, tens, SCORES of thousands of posts… Who signs your paychecks, tor/cer?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) “behaviour” ??? So you’re not even American??? Never EVER saw an actual American use that spelling…you weren’t quoting anyone…you used the Canadian / British spelling of the word… What kind of scam are you running?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) There you go with your “the polling…predicts”…again. You sure do love them polls, don’t you? Except, you know, the Q poll dared TODAY that shows Trump leading / tied in PA, FL, and OH. Yeah, you didn’t know about that one, did you?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) Why do you use the British / Canadian spelling of “behaviour”? If you are NOT an American, that would explain a lot. Were you even born in this country?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) What’s the lie? disqus shows (hang in, let me check)…41,857 posts since you joined on Aug. 25, 2015…so my “scores of thousands” cite was accurate… You cross-posted a “guest post” that you made at floppingaces, ad judging by the comments there, you are known to them as well…at least 3 such “guest post” columns, all anti-Trump all the way. I won’t bother to check your twitter feed but you’re on there, too, with thousands of tweets You are pretty much a one-man propaganda machine, aren’t you? And all out of the goodness of your heart! So do you have a real job? Aside from posting anti-Trump propaganda? ANSWER – YES or NO!
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) Once again, what the hell are you talking about? Your post above “Trump is making a mess of his campaign” is frickin’ concern trolling from one of the more liberal wapo writers… Check the link yourself…
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) “Please explain why I would take the time to WARN people of the danger of his candidacy?” That’s an easy one….because you’re getting paid to do it in an effort to elect Hillary.
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) Sad for you that we’re starting to see through your scam…you weren’t born or raised in America, were you Where are you from? Canada? That might help explain your drooling man-love for Cruz, huh?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) Boy, for a multi-platform one-man propaganda machine, you don’t seem too bright… Why, oh why, would someone on conservative (read: GOP-supporting) websites – purporting to be a conservative – expend SO much effort and blather (tens of thousands) to demean, diminish, slam, slime, decry, insult, impugn, and malign Trump – the only alternative to the horrors of Hillary – all in the guise of a “concerned, principled, conservative”? Gosh, that’s a tough one, isn’t it? Maybe because he’s being paid by the Hillary camp to – again – slam, slime, etc – the GOP nominee? That the HRC folks are hoping that some weak-minded naifs would be overwhelmed by the frickin sheer volume of your anti-Trump propaganda and decide to vote for Hillary? Come on…there’s not THAT many dots to connect….. Here’s another dot: “behaviour” in place of the spelling that EVERY American uses…never, ever seen an American “accidentally” use the British / Canadian spelling…
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) Yeah, yeah…I’ve been going round and round with you here for months now…you push anything and everything that’s Anti-Trump…Trump’s a liar, Trump’s a thief, Trump’s unqualified and uncouth… You throw in an occasional anti-Hillary bit, but by and large, your one-note-song has been NoTrumpNeverTrumpTRUMP IS AWFUL! You’ve been “warning” us for months about what a scumbag Trump is…how unfit, how deceitful, how just flat out terrible Trump is…kind of like Hillary, huh?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) I UNDERSTAND that you seem to have a pathological hatred of Trump, despite there being ANY other alternative besides Hillary. I UNDERSTAND that you post far, far more than any normal, average joe could do. I UNDERSTAND that someone who uses the spelling “behaviour” was not born / educated in America.
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) Please tell me what part of what I just said is a lie.
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) You’re a real fucking laugh riot…take your oh-so-Obama-esque attempt at “humor”, your attempt to make your inane and insulting “point” – with crushed corpses still in the streets – and shove it up your ass.
    Tom►Torcer: (07/15/2016) I was angry when I posted that because of the sheer imbecility of your “Hur—Hur—Watter you gunna do next? Ban trucks? Hur-Hur-Hur” crack, while folks lay dying in the road. Obama was rightly lambasted for injecting HIS politics into a speech for fallen officers…here you are, while the BODIES ARE STILL IN THE STREETS, making some juvenile “See? See? Trucks kill, too!” crack…. Poorly timed, cruelly insensitive, and just downright stupid.
    Tom►Torcer: (08/17/2016) HAHAHAHAHA! Who signs your paychecks, torcer?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/17/2016) Again, no denial. Who signs your paychecks?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/17/2016) Again, you’re not denying getting paid for your torrents of anti-Trump propaganda, are you?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/17/2016) Says the guy who posts endless repetitive blah-b;ah.
    Tom►Torcer: (08/18/2016) I’ve never seen YOU deny getting paid for your torrid 125-posts-a-day, all-Anti-Trump-All-The-Time activity…. Who signs your paychecks, torcer?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/18/2016) What lies, moron? Anyone can go to your disqus page and see how many posts you have cranked out…125 a day on average. Is that a lie? Is disqus out to get you by putting up fake user stats? Where’s the lie?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/20/2016) Still no denial, just deflection and dissembling. Looks like others on here are getting wise to you….
    Tom►Torcer: (08/20/2016) “blokes” Lived in the UK for a couple years a few decades ago…never heard an American, in America, use that term. you’re a fraud….
    Tom►Torcer: (08/28/2016) This only serves to make you anti-Trumpers seem more desperate and dishonest, and it – again – proves my point that you grimly seize upon a past statement and, if Trump varies in any way at any time from what he said earlier, you get hysterical. I swear it’s like you folks have never paid any attention at all to how campaigns work before last year.
    Tom►Torcer: (08/31/2016) “we proved by analyzing the guests he had on his show here.” LOL! your “analysis” was what? A flurry of rightscoop hit-pieces?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/31/2016) PBS??? Really? Getting harder and harder for you to make your daily (130+) quota of Trump Slams, huh?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/31/2016) Boy, you’re sure all puffed up about your “principles”, aren’t you? My principles don’t depend on who’s paying me to post anti-Trump propaganda.
    Tom►Torcer: (09/01/2016) Gosh, thanks for the concern-trolling advice!!!
    Tom►Torcer: (09/01/2016) What a load of crap…”Trump Agrees With Mexican President…” So you expected Trump to dispute the Mexican President’s statement while up on the stage with him? I notice the hallmarks of the shrieking leftists here – the old, “Trump did not immediately disavow the Mexican president, live, at an internationally-covered press conference! He must AGREE with him!! Why does Trump hate American gun laws?!” line of bullshit. What a load of deceptive crap you and your ever-more-shrill-and-desperate Never Trump! are trying to push. As Trump rises in the polls, I will expect you to be ever more spittle-flecked with impotent rage… What in the world are you going to do when Trump wins the Presidency? Move to Mexico? That would be ironic, huh?
    Tom►Torcer: (09/04/2016) “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” The question isn’t how many pieces kirlkesworth, or me, or grumpy cat, has posted. Speaking for myself, I’m just an average Joe, a civic-minded citizen using whatever tools are available to convince folks to do the right thing and vote for the most conservative candidate. I get the feeling that kw and gc are, too. You, on the other hand, are a disqus-posting machine…in 53 weeks, you posted more than SIX TIMES as many as the three of us have posted in years and years of being on disqus. SIX TIMES more than all three of us together – in a little more than a year. Yet you’re here, pretending to be just an Average Joe like the rest of us…
    Tom►Torcer: (09/07/2016) Wah Wah Wah…the mean words hurt.
    Tom►Torcer: (09/07/2016) And it’s been my experience that someone who posts 125 times a day to disqus, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, is a paid shill. Who signs your paychecks?
    Tom►Torcer: (09/07/2016) Wow…you’re really desperate, aren’t you? What’s the matter? No Soros-bonus for you if Trump wins?

  68. Torcer says:

    Let’s review:

    Here KirklesWorth was shown to be a LIAR making a declarative statement based on information IT Does not have:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fcb701685bb7ed906c0393b2d7ed7b0d70cd557d8106d0197ec32e6e3c4c1c1b.jpg

    KirklesWorth

    Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552515243

    Then it Lied again trying to claim that:

    KirklesWorth You didn’t say what my “lies” were.

    When it was clearly posted:

    KirklesWorth

    Well stated. Here is some background keeping in mind that Torcer had no candidate and no plan to defeat Hillary:
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3552515243

  69. Torcer says:

    Didn’t your parents ever tell you that you shouldn’t interrupt while the adults are trying to have a pleasant conversation?

    Why don’t you go off and do something useful instead of harassing Conservatives?

    Who cares what someone was talking about over a year ago?

    KirklesWorth
    Odd, I was just reviewing comments made by Tom and it looks like your tactics being used over and over. You see, you introduced “it’s forte” which means I get to defend myself with those who have stated it is your forte:

    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) Wondering why no attribution for this but then I see that you wrote it yourself! You sure do get around, don’t you Tor? Torcer? Here’s one reply to this post on floppingaces: “Tor, next to being piss poor journalist and and true socialist… Tor, did you buy your degree?…” Here’s another reply to your floppingaces column, from May… “No more doubt in my mind. Tor is a propaganda spammer for the #NeverTrump movement.” Posting here, posting there, providing anti-Trump “tips”…almost 42,000 disqus posts in less than 11 months!…posting columns at floppingaces, all of them slamming the only hope we have to avoid a Hillary presidency…almost like you’re getting paid for all your work and effort in decrying, demeaning, and demonizing Trump. So who signs your paychecks?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) See? I can cite internet stuff about logic, too – just like you! But you’e still avoiding the question, aren’t you? When someone asks you, “So what do you do for a living?”, do you tell them: “I’m a proud, multi-platform, 24x7x365, WAY-more-than-100-posts-per-day purveyor of anti-Trump propaganda to supposed conservative websites.”? If you were honest, that’s what you would say. Who signs your paychecks, tor/cer?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) You’re sounding desperate…The Washington Post? Post after post after post of anti-Trump propaganda…do you have a staff working on getting these posts all queued up? You were able to recall, edit, and post these 2- and 3-day old editorials – with ellipses and bold print – just like that, huh? And you do this all on your own, no financial interest in pretending to be just an average Joe, just postin’ stuff to keep y’all informed fellow on disqus?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) Try acting like a real person and stop pretending that you’re just some average joe, posting hundreds, thousands, tens, SCORES of thousands of posts… Who signs your paychecks, tor/cer?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) “behaviour” ??? So you’re not even American??? Never EVER saw an actual American use that spelling…you weren’t quoting anyone…you used the Canadian / British spelling of the word… What kind of scam are you running?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) There you go with your “the polling…predicts”…again. You sure do love them polls, don’t you? Except, you know, the Q poll dared TODAY that shows Trump leading / tied in PA, FL, and OH. Yeah, you didn’t know about that one, did you?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) Why do you use the British / Canadian spelling of “behaviour”? If you are NOT an American, that would explain a lot. Were you even born in this country?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) What’s the lie? disqus shows (hang in, let me check)…41,857 posts since you joined on Aug. 25, 2015…so my “scores of thousands” cite was accurate… You cross-posted a “guest post” that you made at floppingaces, ad judging by the comments there, you are known to them as well…at least 3 such “guest post” columns, all anti-Trump all the way. I won’t bother to check your twitter feed but you’re on there, too, with thousands of tweets You are pretty much a one-man propaganda machine, aren’t you? And all out of the goodness of your heart! So do you have a real job? Aside from posting anti-Trump propaganda? ANSWER – YES or NO!
    Tom►Torcer: (07/13/2016) Once again, what the hell are you talking about? Your post above “Trump is making a mess of his campaign” is frickin’ concern trolling from one of the more liberal wapo writers… Check the link yourself…
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) “Please explain why I would take the time to WARN people of the danger of his candidacy?” That’s an easy one….because you’re getting paid to do it in an effort to elect Hillary.
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) Sad for you that we’re starting to see through your scam…you weren’t born or raised in America, were you Where are you from? Canada? That might help explain your drooling man-love for Cruz, huh?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) Boy, for a multi-platform one-man propaganda machine, you don’t seem too bright… Why, oh why, would someone on conservative (read: GOP-supporting) websites – purporting to be a conservative – expend SO much effort and blather (tens of thousands) to demean, diminish, slam, slime, decry, insult, impugn, and malign Trump – the only alternative to the horrors of Hillary – all in the guise of a “concerned, principled, conservative”? Gosh, that’s a tough one, isn’t it? Maybe because he’s being paid by the Hillary camp to – again – slam, slime, etc – the GOP nominee? That the HRC folks are hoping that some weak-minded naifs would be overwhelmed by the frickin sheer volume of your anti-Trump propaganda and decide to vote for Hillary? Come on…there’s not THAT many dots to connect….. Here’s another dot: “behaviour” in place of the spelling that EVERY American uses…never, ever seen an American “accidentally” use the British / Canadian spelling…
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) Yeah, yeah…I’ve been going round and round with you here for months now…you push anything and everything that’s Anti-Trump…Trump’s a liar, Trump’s a thief, Trump’s unqualified and uncouth… You throw in an occasional anti-Hillary bit, but by and large, your one-note-song has been NoTrumpNeverTrumpTRUMP IS AWFUL! You’ve been “warning” us for months about what a scumbag Trump is…how unfit, how deceitful, how just flat out terrible Trump is…kind of like Hillary, huh?
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) I UNDERSTAND that you seem to have a pathological hatred of Trump, despite there being ANY other alternative besides Hillary. I UNDERSTAND that you post far, far more than any normal, average joe could do. I UNDERSTAND that someone who uses the spelling “behaviour” was not born / educated in America.
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) Please tell me what part of what I just said is a lie.
    Tom►Torcer: (07/14/2016) You’re a real fucking laugh riot…take your oh-so-Obama-esque attempt at “humor”, your attempt to make your inane and insulting “point” – with crushed corpses still in the streets – and shove it up your ass.
    Tom►Torcer: (07/15/2016) I was angry when I posted that because of the sheer imbecility of your “Hur—Hur—Watter you gunna do next? Ban trucks? Hur-Hur-Hur” crack, while folks lay dying in the road. Obama was rightly lambasted for injecting HIS politics into a speech for fallen officers…here you are, while the BODIES ARE STILL IN THE STREETS, making some juvenile “See? See? Trucks kill, too!” crack…. Poorly timed, cruelly insensitive, and just downright stupid.
    Tom►Torcer: (08/17/2016) HAHAHAHAHA! Who signs your paychecks, torcer?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/17/2016) Again, no denial. Who signs your paychecks?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/17/2016) Again, you’re not denying getting paid for your torrents of anti-Trump propaganda, are you?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/17/2016) Says the guy who posts endless repetitive blah-b;ah.
    Tom►Torcer: (08/18/2016) I’ve never seen YOU deny getting paid for your torrid 125-posts-a-day, all-Anti-Trump-All-The-Time activity…. Who signs your paychecks, torcer?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/18/2016) What lies, moron? Anyone can go to your disqus page and see how many posts you have cranked out…125 a day on average. Is that a lie? Is disqus out to get you by putting up fake user stats? Where’s the lie?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/20/2016) Still no denial, just deflection and dissembling. Looks like others on here are getting wise to you….
    Tom►Torcer: (08/20/2016) “blokes” Lived in the UK for a couple years a few decades ago…never heard an American, in America, use that term. you’re a fraud….
    Tom►Torcer: (08/28/2016) This only serves to make you anti-Trumpers seem more desperate and dishonest, and it – again – proves my point that you grimly seize upon a past statement and, if Trump varies in any way at any time from what he said earlier, you get hysterical. I swear it’s like you folks have never paid any attention at all to how campaigns work before last year.
    Tom►Torcer: (08/31/2016) “we proved by analyzing the guests he had on his show here.” LOL! your “analysis” was what? A flurry of rightscoop hit-pieces?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/31/2016) PBS??? Really? Getting harder and harder for you to make your daily (130+) quota of Trump Slams, huh?
    Tom►Torcer: (08/31/2016) Boy, you’re sure all puffed up about your “principles”, aren’t you? My principles don’t depend on who’s paying me to post anti-Trump propaganda.
    Tom►Torcer: (09/01/2016) Gosh, thanks for the concern-trolling advice!!!
    Tom►Torcer: (09/01/2016) What a load of crap…”Trump Agrees With Mexican President…” So you expected Trump to dispute the Mexican President’s statement while up on the stage with him? I notice the hallmarks of the shrieking leftists here – the old, “Trump did not immediately disavow the Mexican president, live, at an internationally-covered press conference! He must AGREE with him!! Why does Trump hate American gun laws?!” line of bullshit. What a load of deceptive crap you and your ever-more-shrill-and-desperate Never Trump! are trying to push. As Trump rises in the polls, I will expect you to be ever more spittle-flecked with impotent rage… What in the world are you going to do when Trump wins the Presidency? Move to Mexico? That would be ironic, huh?
    Tom►Torcer: (09/04/2016) “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” The question isn’t how many pieces kirlkesworth, or me, or grumpy cat, has posted. Speaking for myself, I’m just an average Joe, a civic-minded citizen using whatever tools are available to convince folks to do the right thing and vote for the most conservative candidate. I get the feeling that kw and gc are, too. You, on the other hand, are a disqus-posting machine…in 53 weeks, you posted more than SIX TIMES as many as the three of us have posted in years and years of being on disqus. SIX TIMES more than all three of us together – in a little more than a year. Yet you’re here, pretending to be just an Average Joe like the rest of us…
    Tom►Torcer: (09/07/2016) Wah Wah Wah…the mean words hurt.
    Tom►Torcer: (09/07/2016) And it’s been my experience that someone who posts 125 times a day to disqus, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, is a paid shill. Who signs your paychecks?
    Tom►Torcer: (09/07/2016) Wow…you’re really desperate, aren’t you? What’s the matter? No Soros-bonus for you if Trump wins?
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554018860

  70. KirklesWorth says:

    Ooooh…condescending! Please be specific about what I am “harassing” you about:

    ● That you are a liar based on things listed below.
    ● On 09/07/2017 You called Trump supporters a “cult following” who you wondered if they would admit their “mistake” of defeating Hillary Clinton.
    ● You have a history of attacking conservative Trump supporters and blamed them for a Hillary victory that didn’t happen.
    ● Your are the “originator of attacks against conservatives”.
    ● You criticized Trump supporters yet had no candidate yourself.
    ● You criticized Trump supporters yet had no plan to defeat Hillary.
    ● You were a NeverTrumper.
    ● If people would have followed your lead, we would have Hillary.
    ● You made a concerted effort to get Trump defeated.
    ● Your effort to get Trump defeated was greater than your efforts to get Hillary defeated.
    ● You bought into (or pushed) the leftwing media’s polls contrary to warnings.
    ● You expected Trump supporters to “sell” Trump while you had nothing.

  71. KirklesWorth says:

    I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate. No candidate, no plan to defeat Hillary…where’s the ambiguity?

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

  72. Torcer says:

    Interesting that YOU are the one reviving those actions by someone else……

  73. Torcer says:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0eb951db7bc79899f2ec41bb3239994c520efa30d3883909cedadaff05b82bd.jpg

    KirklesWorth

    I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate. No candidate, no plan to defeat Hillary…where’s the ambiguity?

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554051939

    KirklesWorth I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate.

    Where did I state that?

    KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    Unfortunately for you that is different subject matter and is NOT the same thing as you claim.

    Again, you made a blanket declarative statement based on information you do not have.
    Therefore it is false and you are a liar.

  74. KirklesWorth says:

    Huh? LOL! You didn’t cite anything I am “harassing” you about, nor prove a damn thing. If I haven’t posted enough to demonstrate that you were more than just a Hillary surrender monkey, I’ve got more to demonstrate how you were a Hillary lackey. Feel free to start a new attack thread and cite this comment.

  75. Torcer says:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0eb951db7bc79899f2ec41bb3239994c520efa30d3883909cedadaff05b82bd.jpg

    KirklesWorth

    I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate. No candidate, no plan to defeat Hillary…where’s the ambiguity?

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554051939

    KirklesWorth I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate.

    Where did I state that?

    KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    Unfortunately for you that is different subject matter and is NOT the same thing as you claim.

    Again, you made a blanket declarative statement based on information you do not have.
    Therefore it is false and you are a liar.

  76. Torcer says:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9ea37c7d64bad91d5b7fc74261dacf3b4f3c5c8b9d9ae1ec31f9ff24e12da19.jpg

    KirklesWorth
    Huh? LOL! You didn’t cite anything I am “harassing” you about, nor prove a damn thing. If I haven’t posted enough to demonstrate that you were more than just a Hillary surrender monkey, I’ve got more to demonstrate how you were a Hillary lackey. Feel free to start a new attack thread and cite this comment.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554077597

    It should be patently obvious that your actions are harassment.

    It should also be noted that you failed to address the other parts of my comment…

    Didn’t your parents ever tell you that you shouldn’t interrupt while the adults are trying to have a pleasant conversation?

    Why don’t you go off and do something useful instead of harassing Conservatives?

    Who cares what someone was talking about over a year ago?

  77. KirklesWorth says:

    I don’t see any excerpts or citations to refute your own statement. You said you had no candidate. The only plan you had was to surrender to Hillary by defeating Donald Trump which you helpfully provided with excerpts, links, citations, etc.:

    Torcer: Donald is vulgar, speaks at 4th grade level and is incapable of acting presidential (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: Donald Trump is the most unpopular presidential candidate since the former head of the ku Klux Klan (2 3)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you of Donald’s myriad business failures and bankruptcies (2)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you of Donald’s Tabloid background (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you of the polls and analysis that show Donald Losing in the general election (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald advocates violence and intimidation tactics (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald changed parties at least 5 times (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald doesn’t care about property rights (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald doesn’t care about the 1st amendment (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald doesn’t care about the 2nd amendment (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is a charlatan and a scam artist of the highest order and is in the middle of a fraud trial (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is a misogynist (2 3)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is an habitual Liar – and projects that onto others (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is being favored by the media – at the moment (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald Is not Prepared for the General Election (2 3 4 5 6 7 8)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is willing to work with the national socialist left (2 3 4 5 6 7 8)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald isn’t a Conservative (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald liked the Obamacare mandate (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald stated: “I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to” (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald still Hasn’t Paid Veterans their Charity Money (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald touts conspiracy theories (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald was close to Bernie Sanders in policy (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that even if he doesn’t they win anyway since they know he’s a leftist (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that the national socialist left desperately wanted Donald to be the nominee to lose to Comrade Clinton (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)

  78. Torcer says:

    1. You are making the accusation, the burden of proof is on YOU.
    2. Are you actually denying that what I posted?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0eb951db7bc79899f2ec41bb3239994c520efa30d3883909cedadaff05b82bd.jpg

    KirklesWorth

    I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate. No candidate, no plan to defeat Hillary…where’s the ambiguity?

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554051939

    [My emphasis]

    KirklesWorth I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate.

    [My emphasis]
    Where did I state that?

    KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    Unfortunately for you that is different subject matter and is NOT the same thing as you claim.

    Again, you made a blanket declarative statement based on information you do not have.
    Therefore it is false and you are a liar.

  79. KirklesWorth says:

    Think so? Well, I’ll just have to provide more proof then. Maybe on your next attack thread.

  80. KirklesWorth says:

    If I am a “liar”, then you can provide your candidate and your plan to defeat Hillary for the record as proof.

  81. Torcer says:

    1. You are making the accusation, the burden of proof is on YOU.
    2. Are you actually denying that what I posted?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0eb951db7bc79899f2ec41bb3239994c520efa30d3883909cedadaff05b82bd.jpg

    KirklesWorth

    I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate. No candidate, no plan to defeat Hillary…where’s the ambiguity?

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554051939

    [My emphasis]

    KirklesWorth I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate.

    [My emphasis]
    Where did I state that?

    KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    Unfortunately for you that is different subject matter and is NOT the same thing as you claim.

    Again, you made a blanket declarative statement based on information you do not have.
    Therefore it is false and you are a liar.

  82. Torcer says:

    1. You are making the accusation, the burden of proof is on YOU.
    2. Are you actually denying that what I posted?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0eb951db7bc79899f2ec41bb3239994c520efa30d3883909cedadaff05b82bd.jpg

    KirklesWorth

    I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate. No candidate, no plan to defeat Hillary…where’s the ambiguity?

    KirklesWorth►Torcer: (08/10/2016) How’s your candidate polling?
    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554051939

    [My emphasis]

    KirklesWorth I have your statement. You said you didn’t have a candidate.

    [My emphasis]
    Where did I state that?

    KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    Unfortunately for you that is different subject matter and is NOT the same thing as you claim.

    Again, you made a blanket declarative statement based on information you do not have.
    Therefore it is false and you are a liar.

  83. KirklesWorth says:

    No, the burden of proof is on you when you said…

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    …you actually did have a candidate and just lied about it. But assuming you were true to your word and didn’t have a candidate, somehow you had a plan using this non-existing candidate to defeat Hillary. Actually, your plan was to defeat Trump and have Hillary win by default.

  84. Torcer says:

    By KirklesWorth’s ‘logic’, someone could make any kind of farcical implication and then Demand someone disprove it.
    FOR EXAMPLE: One could claim that someone is a Chekist whose sole purpose is to spend an inordinate amount of time to sowing chaos and dissension amoungst American electorate*…
    And then DEMAND that the subject of the spurious accusation disprove the accusation.

    Again, YOU made the accusation, YOU have to Prove it.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb60e5a05beb926a2ad62899900d1bf5a4a92bda33e7dedb026803ee67a1c448.jpg

    KirklesWorth
    No, the burden of proof is on you when you said…

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    …you actually did have a candidate and just lied about it. But assuming you were true to your word and didn’t have a candidate, somehow you had a plan using this non-existing candidate to defeat Hillary. Actually, your plan was to defeat Trump and have Hillary win by default.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554148381

    BTW, did anyone every tell you the American aphorism that if you find yourself in a hole – Stop Digging!

    And here is a case where it tries to deflect from my correct assessment that it wouldn’t comment on The Implications of DACA Amnesty and Chain Migration
    One would think that it should be bothered by such news…

    KirklesWorth
    Bully for you! You are awesome Torcer!
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88564#comment-3554278610

    *And Just to be clear on the subject – that was just an Example unconnected to anyone in particular.

  85. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth
    I don’t see any excerpts or citations to refute your own statement. You said you had no candidate. The only plan you had was to surrender to Hillary by defeating Donald Trump which you helpfully provided with excerpts, links, citations, etc.:

    Torcer: Donald is vulgar, speaks at 4th grade level and is incapable of acting presidential (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: Donald Trump is the most unpopular presidential candidate since the former head of the ku Klux Klan (2 3)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you of Donald’s myriad business failures and bankruptcies (2)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you of Donald’s Tabloid background (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you of the polls and analysis that show Donald Losing in the general election (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald advocates violence and intimidation tactics (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald changed parties at least 5 times (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald doesn’t care about property rights (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald doesn’t care about the 1st amendment (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald doesn’t care about the 2nd amendment (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is a charlatan and a scam artist of the highest order and is in the middle of a fraud trial (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is a misogynist (2 3)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is an habitual Liar – and projects that onto others (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is being favored by the media – at the moment (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald Is not Prepared for the General Election (2 3 4 5 6 7 8)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald is willing to work with the national socialist left (2 3 4 5 6 7 8)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald isn’t a Conservative (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald liked the Obamacare mandate (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald stated: “I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to” (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald still Hasn’t Paid Veterans their Charity Money (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald touts conspiracy theories (2 3 4 5 6 7)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that Donald was close to Bernie Sanders in policy (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that even if he doesn’t they win anyway since they know he’s a leftist (2 3 4 5 6)
    Torcer: We tried to inform you that the national socialist left desperately wanted Donald to be the nominee to lose to Comrade Clinton (2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12)
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554101093

  86. KirklesWorth says:

    Help! Help! I’m being attacked on an old thread by Torcer!

    Eviscerated* here.

    * 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29

  87. Torcer says:

    By KirklesWorth’s ‘logic’, someone could make any kind of farcical implication and then Demand someone disprove it.
    FOR EXAMPLEone could claim that someone is a Russian whose sole purpose is spend an inordinate amount of time to sowing chaos and dissension in the American electorate…
    And then DEMAND that they disprove the accusation.

    Again, YOU made the accusation, YOU have to Prove it.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb60e5a05beb926a2ad62899900d1bf5a4a92bda33e7dedb026803ee67a1c448.jpg

    KirklesWorth
    No, the burden of proof is on you when you said…

    Torcer►KirklesWorth: (08/11/2016) Did you miss the part where I said I hadn’t decided yet?

    …you actually did have a candidate and just lied about it. But assuming you were true to your word and didn’t have a candidate, somehow you had a plan using this non-existing candidate to defeat Hillary. Actually, your plan was to defeat Trump and have Hillary win by default.
    http://moonbattery.com/?p=88560#comment-3554148381

    BTW, did anyone every tell you the American aphorism that if you find yourself in a hole – Stop Digging!

    Does it even understand the basics logic and reasoning?

    One could have more than one option in a particular situation and hadn’t decided between them, thus said person had some selections in mind but hadn’t finalized them yet.

    Another example: Say if one is trying to decide where to go out to dinner and they hadn’t decided between Jax Fish House or Lucile’s yet.

    In that case it would be a LIE to say they didn’t have a restaurant to go to…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b97ed8a85a7d8df1e9a1b1ee1b101a3ba7a87a7f3f28a304310ddfdb5d23ffef.jpg

    KirklesWorth
    Hooray! It’s time for another patented Torcer Attack Thread™ against me! Torcer held off for one whole day! This will be the 27th since the beginning of September! 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26

    Isn’t that curious that It’s playing it’s link & Number game instead of padding it’s response… what is it trying to hide?

    KirklesWorth Since Torcer continues to lie about me and deny the proven and the obvious – that Torcer had no candidate and therefore no plan to defeat Hilary,

    And of course it is of course using the tried and true method of accusing the accuser.

  88. KirklesWorth says:

    Help! Help! I’m being attacked on an old thread by Torcer!

    Eviscerated here and here and here.

  89. Torcer says:

    KirklesWorth Eviscerated here and here and here.

    Are those explanations of how you proved something with information you don’t have?

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