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Feb 19 2018

Open Thread

Those who call for censorship in the name of the oppressed ought to recognize it is never the oppressed who determine the bounds of censorship. - Aryeh Neier

59 Responses to “Open Thread”

  1. THOUGHTCRIMINAL2084 says:

    The same is true for gun “control” – People who “need” armed men protecting them want us at their mercy, it is foolish to think we should expect mercy when they have all the guns and we the empty promises.

  2. Bodhisattva says:

    About ‘Russian Collusion…”

    CNN and MSNBC Helped Russia Sow Discord by Promoting Fake Anti-Trump Rally

  3. Bodhisattva says:

    President Trump, I’m Russian and I’m Not Laughing
    I fear the indictment of Russian internet trolls may lead to less freedom for both Americans and Russians.

    “They are laughing their asses off in Moscow,” President Donald Trump tweeted on Sunday as part of his damage control after 13 Russian Facebook trolls were indicted for meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Really?

    Some Russians — including the man who runs the indicted troll factory — are indeed laughing, but I’m one Russian who isn’t. The fallout from the indictment comes too close to a couple of lines, both in U.S.-Russian relations and in attitudes toward free speech, that it would be best not to cross.

    The Internet Research Agency, a notorious St. Petersburg outfit specializing in propaganda, disinformation and cyberbullying, has been known to Russians — especially those critical of President Vladimir Putin — since 2013, when the investigative newspaper Novaya Gazeta published the first report about it. The organization had a strict security policy but also high staff turnover, so its vacancy ads and reports from people who have worked there or applied for jobs have been easy to find on the internet. Links to its many websites and the staunchly pro-Putin comments of its employees are a common sight on the social networks (I’ve had my share too from them).

    Now there’s a 37-page indictment detailing how the Internet Research Agency applied the same methods in the U.S., with its employees posing as Americans. Part of it concerns identity theft to open bank and PayPal accounts to enable payments in the U.S. — illegal activities worthy of prosecution. Another part deals with posting stuff on social networks, organizing small rallies and building a cage in which a Hillary Clinton impersonator would sit in a prison uniform — all pretty much their normal modus operandi in Russia and Ukraine (where their real identities are also hidden).

    The U.S. has laws that require foreign agents to register and which ban foreigners from buying campaign ads. These laws, however, have never been stringently applied — not even during the Cold War, when the Soviet Union did its best to promote the peace movement in the U.S. and beyond. That treatment made sense then. Writing in the Christian Science Monitor in 1982, Daniel Southerland — who would go on to become executive editor of U.S. government-funded Radio Free Asia — called President Ronald Reagan’s claim that Soviet secret agents were sent to the U.S. to foster the American nuclear freeze movement “an embarrassment for his administration.” He also noted that U.S. officials felt that with or without the Soviets, the freeze movement “would probably be about where it is today.”

    The same can be said of its effect on the 2016 election and U.S. politics in general. That’s obvious to Russians like myself who do not support the Putin regime and at the same time aren’t paranoid about its capacity to wreak havoc outside Russia. As economist Konstantin Sonin, a University of Chicago professor, posted on Facebook, “I still don’t see a mechanism through which an operation on a $5 million scale can seriously affect the outcome of a campaign in which one side spent $600 million and the other more than $1 billion.”

    But when it comes to Americans, it’s somehow left only to Trumpsters to argue that the U.S. is not a gigantic snowball that can melt from a little Russian trolling. That’s the bit that’s making pro-Putin Russians laugh. Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Kremlin-connected St. Petersburg caterer who is named in the indictment as the operation’s funder, mocked:

    Americans are very impressionable people, they see what they want to see. I have a lot of respect for them. I’m not at all upset that I’m on this list. If they want to see the devil, let them.

    My respect for U.S. traditions and values, unlike Prigozhin’s, is real, and it’s rooted in admiration for America’s ability to tolerate the nastiest kinds of public speech. A healthy society should be able to take this sort of thing in stride, as anti-Putin Russian commentators have long done with Prigozhin’s troll factory.

    Apparently this author lives in some bubble that does not include liberal moonbat snowflakes who melt at the mere mention of common, everyday words that hurt them.

  4. Bodhisattva says:

    Mueller probe leaves many witnesses in limbo

    They shouldn’t worry. They are the ones who could prove involvement of Clinton, Comey, Mueller himself and even Obama.

    He isn’t going to bother them any more.

  5. Bodhisattva says:

    WARNING: This is what happens when moonbat lunatic liberals get control:

    The NBC Bay Area Investigative Unit surveyed 153 blocks of downtown San Francisco in search of trash, needles, and feces. The investigation revealed trash littered across every block. The survey also found 41 blocks dotted with needles and 96 blocks sullied with piles of feces.

    How dirty is San Francisco? An NBC Bay Area Investigation reveals a dangerous mix of drug needles, garbage, and feces throughout downtown San Francisco. The Investigative Unit surveyed 153 blocks of the city – the more than 20-mile stretch includes popular tourist spots like Union Square and major hotel chains. The area – bordered by Van Ness Avenue, Market Street, Post Street and Grant Avenue – is also home to City Hall, schools, playgrounds, and a police station.

  6. Bodhisattva says:

    Example of clickbait headlines:

    Is the Yellowstone supervolcano close to erupting? Scientists detect more than 200 earthquakesin just 10 DAYS after warning that magma below the surface is showing signs of strain

    However, a couple lines down, after more alarmism:

    Still, experts say the activity is ‘relatively weak,’ and alert level remains normal

  7. Bodhisattva says:

    Really? Seriously?

    Then I’d better start…

    Drinking alcohol key to living past 90

    NOTE: It’s not that I “never” drink. Just rarely, because, more often than not, I have responsibilities, like I’m the driver, or whatever.

    Last time I drank, one shot of some really exclusive whiskey, actually, this was happening:

    It’s the end of the world!

    I’m known to have a glass of wine now and then with dinner, when I don’t have anything important to do after.

  8. Bodhisattva says:

    Mueller deputy Andrew Weissmann has a reputation for hard-charging tactics — and sometimes going too far

  9. Bodhisattva says:

    Gerrymandered districts in Pennsylvania seen as threat to Republicans:'s-new-congressional-map-could-boost-Democrats

    Or it could just be more “fake news”.

    I guess we might find out in 2018.

    The map was approved in a 4-3 decision, with four Democratic justices backing it and one Democratic justice siding with two Republicans against it.

    They call the old map “gerrymandered” but admit the new one gives a huge boost to Democrat election efforts.

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  11. Bodhisattva says:

    ‘I have a little trouble with compliance’: Frances McDormand, 60, explains why she chose to wear pink at BAFTAs.

    Supporters of the Time’s Up cause requested that women wear black to the ceremony.

    She pretty much gave them the finger with regards to that.

    Frances made the revelation as she attended the awards in a black and red lip-printed dress, going against the requests of Time’s Up which is standing in solidarity against sexual harassment in Hollywood.

  12. Bodhisattva says:

    It’s WEATHER not CLIMATE CHANGE, but don’t try to explain that to moonbats:

    Wild, weird weather on the way: Record cold West, record warm East, flooding in the center

    Record cold west… moonbats are complaining because the current temperature is in the low 50s.

    I’m outside in shorts and a T.

  13. Bodhisattva says:

    Paul Craig Roberts Sums Up The Result Of Mueller’s Investigation: “Nothing!” – which is what we all said from the start, anyway.

    Robert Mueller discredited himself and his orchestrated Russiagate investigation last week (Friday, February 16, 2018) with his charges that 13 Russians and 3 Russian companies plotted to use social media to influence the 2016 election. Their intent, Mueller says, was to “sow discord in the US political system.”

    What pathetic results to come from a 9 month investigation!

    Note that the hyped Russian hacking of Hillary’s emails that we have heard about every day is nowhere to be found in Mueller’s charges.

    That’s because it was an inside job and they murdered the poor guy who did it – Seth Rich – for doing it.

    Note also that the Trump/Putin conspiracy is also not present in Mueller’s charges. Mueller’s charges say that the Russians’ plan to sow discord began in 2014, before there was any notion that Trump would run for president in 2017. The link of the plot to Putin is reduced to the allegation that the plot was financed by a St. Petersburg restaurateur whose connection to Putin is that his business once catered official dinners between Russian officials and foreign dignitaries.

    Finally, note that Mueller’s release of his charges in the face of dead news weekend means that Mueller knows that he has nothing to justify the massive propaganda onslaught against Trump for conspiring with Putin with which the presstitutes have regaled us. If the charges amounted to anything, they would have been released on Monday morning, and the presstitutes would have been handed by the FBI and CIA the news stories to file with their papers.

    How did the 13 Russians go about sowing discord? Are you ready for this?

    They held political rallies posing as Americans and they paid one person (unidentified) to build a cage aboard a flatbed pickup truck and another person to wear a costume portraying Hillary in prison clothes.

  14. Bodhisattva says:

    Special Forces Porn – yes, it’s safe for work.

    Meet The Pentagon’s Next Autonomous Dune Buggy For US Special Forces

    Would you like me to photoshop a scantily clad woman into that shot?

  15. Bodhisattva says:

    How long can our debt levels keep growing much, much faster than the overall economy?

    We haven’t had a year of 3 percent growth for the U.S. economy since the middle of the Bush administration, but we keep borrowing money as if there is no tomorrow. Much of the focus has been on the exploding debt of the federal government, and that is definitely something I plan to address once I get to Washington. But on an individual level, U.S. consumers have been extremely irresponsible as well.

    Not me… I’M DEBT FREE – not even a car or house payment, own both outright.

    And I did it without Dave Ramsey.

  16. seaoh says:

    Leftist one party rule has turned California into a third world Shite hole
    Sanfransico is an open cesspool.

    While Orange county looks like a rail province of Brazil or worse Haiti

  17. Bodhisattva says:

    And it’s not just San Fran & Orange county – I missed that last one… see my post below.

    You also may have heard San Diego’s failure to adequately deal with the homeless – actually a failure to enforce existing laws, in part because of our whacked courts here – led to a hepatitis A outbreak that lasted some time.

    Liberal utopia? Not even.

  18. KirklesWorth says:

    Interesting how these Russian “bots” take the leftists’ side for gun control. Reported by the liberal Independent no less.

    Independent: Florida school shooting: Russian bots pounce on high school massacre in bid to steer gun control debate

    One hour after news broke about the school shooting in Florida last week, Twitter accounts suspected of having links to Russia released hundreds of posts taking up the gun control debate. The accounts addressed the news with the speed of a cable news network. Some adopted the hashtag #guncontrolnow. Others used #gunreformnow and #Parklandshooting. Earlier on Wednesday, before the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, many of those accounts had been focused on the investigation by the special counsel Robert Mueller into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

  19. KirklesWorth says:

    Laughable that CNN blames Trump for “mistrust” when they have been doing their damnedest to sow those seeds since the beginning.

    CNN: Trump’s venting may create government mistrust, which the Russian intervention was designed to incite

    Wittingly or not, President Donald Trump spent the Presidents Day weekend doing the Kremlin’s work. It may be months before Americans learn whether special counsel Robert Mueller will validate or reject allegations that Trump’s 2016 campaign colluded with Moscow’s election meddling operation. But Trump’s three days of Twitter venting against the FBI, his political opponents and the Russia investigation from his Mar-a-Lago resort are likely to further incite mistrust in the institutions of democracy and government, which the Russian intervention was designed to foment.

  20. KirklesWorth says:

    What is it with people going to communist regimes and stealing stuff?

    Fox News: American accused of stealing Terracotta Warrior’s thumb must be ‘severely’ punished, China says

  21. KirklesWorth says:

    Poor dem snowflake senator doesn’t like the term “killing babies” – then has the gall to cite “ethics” as though pro-abortionists have any. So, how is abortion not killing babies?

    CBS Politics: Idaho state senator faces ethics complaint over tweet on abortion

    A Republican state senator who shouted at University of Idaho students in the Capitol to lobby for a birth control bill on Monday now faces an ethics complaint after a tweet from an account presenting as the lawmaker’s directed students to discuss “killing babies” with a Democratic colleague. State Sen. Maryanne Jordan filed the complaint against Republican state Sen. Dan Foreman. “It’s one thing to disagree with policy, it’s another thing to position something like that against another lawmaker,” Jordan said in response to the tweet Monday. “This type of behavior is beneath the Idaho Senate.”

  22. Mr. Freemarket says:

    The russian also needs to understand that these indictments are for show; sacrificial lambs, as it were. There has been plenty of russian collusion, but it has largely been on the democrat side. Serious investigation would end with indictments of Hillary and disgrace for Obama who clearly ignored the problems.

    So, yes, we are going to call the Russian “the bad guys” in this scenario, yet ignore the problem that is much closer to home.

  23. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Let’s be honest. Apparently democrats really enjoy s**t.

  24. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Just wondering…..can you remember the last time that “solidarity” of hollywood celebs or for that matter protests actually solved anything?

  25. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Up next….Mueller to investigate US meddling in Israeli elections…..

  26. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I find the inclusion of comments by President Trump rather humorous…as if this problem came about by his election.

    We used to call these types of places “hobo camps” and the people who infested them “bums.” Not sure what the solution is at this point, but tent prisons with the inmate wearing pink seems like a reasonable start.

  27. hoagie111 says:

    Looks to me like they’re blaming Trump for democrat rule.

  28. Kevcar says:

    I think I agree with China on this one. I wonder if the official cane-er from Singapore is available? That American idiot learned his lesson.

  29. Kevcar says:

    Hey Bod, that’s very bad for your knees. Just a fyi.

  30. KirklesWorth says:

    Look at the histrionics at CNBC…”Trump’s war on science”. What the hell? No wonder journalism is dead when faux-righteous-indignation is substituted for integrity. Poor leftists equate cutting budgets as “wars on [fill in the blank]”…all they demand is open spigots of money.

    CNBC: Trump’s war on science threatens ‘moonshots’ to cure cancer and other diseases

    An urgent need and an ominous trend are poised to collide, and the results for public health in the United States could be catastrophic. The need is to accelerate transformational breakthroughs in medical research targeting chronic diseases like Alzheimer’s and cancer. But the trend opposing it is a growing climate of suspicion, and even hostility, toward science. On Feb. 12, President Donald Trump released the 2019 Health and Human Services budget proposal. And while Trump’s initial proposal to slash the National Institutes of Health’s budget by 27 percent has been rejected, the latest proposal still doesn’t offer much hope: With an additional $538 million slated for the NIH over 2017, its $34.8 billion budget is roughly equal to the 2017 level, yet Congress is calling for the creation of three new institutes to be integrated into the NIH. This threatens to thin funds even more.

  31. KirklesWorth says:

    CNN criticizing “thoughts and prayers”, that “has reached that full semantic satiation” (repeated so often it loses its meaning)…kind of like their “reporting”.

    CNN: How ‘thoughts and prayers’ became a cynical meme

    In the hours and days after a teenager shot and killed 17 people last week at his former high school in Parkland, Florida, “thoughts and prayers” was trending on social platforms. It wasn’t the good kind of trending. Among the earnest pleas for social and legislative action were more and more memes and cynical jokes. In one highly-shared image, “Thoughts and Prayers” is imprinted on the side of a garbage truck. Another meme shows an empty van. “Excellent news,” it reads. “The first truckload of your thoughts and prayers has just arrived.” Jokes, mere hours after a deadly shooting? To the voices behind the dark humor, the persistence of “thoughts and prayers” is the real joke.

  32. KirklesWorth says:

    Liberals just “know” things without examination…and sometimes claim that it is “science” (like “global warming”).

    The Hill: Psychiatrist who briefed lawmakers: I’m reporting Trump as a ‘dangerous’ threat

    The Yale psychiatrist who briefed lawmakers about President Trump’s mental health has penned an op-ed reporting him as a “dangerous leader.” Dr. Bandy X. Lee did so after Trump called for people to report threats in the wake of the Florida school shooting. “We have an analogous situation with a dangerous leader who has access to far more lethal weapons than an AR-15,” Lee wrote in an op-ed for the New York Daily News Monday. “Following the President’s words, I am reporting again to authorities, both as a citizen and a mental health professional, and making a record here.” Lee spoke with a group of Democratic lawmakers and one GOP senator in December about Trump’s mental state. She has not examined Trump, but has repeatedly questioned his mental states.

  33. KirklesWorth says:

    The Hill: Mark Levin’s new Fox News program to launch Sunday night

    Fox News announced Tuesday it will launch the first episode of conservative commentator Mark Levin’s new weekend program, “Life, Liberty & Levin,” on Sunday at 10 p.m., according to a network release. “Hosted by nationally syndicated radio talk show personality Mark Levin, the hour-long show will explore the fundamental values and principles undergirding American society, culture, politics, and current events, and their relevance to the nation’s future and everyday lives of citizens,” reads the release. The first episode will feature an interview with Walter Williams, an economist and George Mason University professor.

  34. KirklesWorth says:

    Another addition to the “global warming list of crimes”: rabbit fur. Oh the poor bunnies!

    Independent: Hares no longer turning white during winter due to impact of climate change

    Animals may be losing their ability to display adaptive camouflage because of changing environmental conditions. Snowshoe hares, ermines, caribou and arctic foxes all change colour from darker to lighter colours during winter, in order to blend into snow-covered landscapes. With warmer winters come less snow, and it is thought the hares have adjusted their survival techniques in areas that have warmed faster than others.

    Related: Daily Caller: Trump Wanted To Turn Global Warming Policy On Its Head, Top Official Says

  35. KirklesWorth says:

    I predict this as a snowball’s chance in hell…I hope I’m wrong.

    Cons. Daily Post: Supreme Court To Decide If Unions Violate The Constitution

    America’s union leaders are biting their fingernails. The Supreme Court is set to hear arguments this week in a case that could have an explosive impact on the country’s organized labor market. Should public-sector workers be required to pay union dues? 22 states say yes. Disgruntled Illinois state employee Mark Janus, however, says no. He has no desire to be a part of the union and never agreed to be a member. The case of Janus v. American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Council 31 revolves around the First Amendment. Janus was thrust into the union and expected to comply with its demands the moment he agreed to become a government employee. “The union voice is not my voice,” Janus wrote in a court brief.

  36. KirklesWorth says:

    Time for Michael Moore to be subpoenaed for his Russian collusion.

    Fox News: Michael Moore participated in anti-Trump rally allegedly organized by Russians

    Michael Moore, the polemical filmmaker who has long accused President Trump of colluding with Russians, posted videos and pictures of himself participating in a protest in Manhattan that was allegedly organized by Russians in November 2016. Prosecutors said Friday that the Russians indicted for meddling in the presidential campaign were also behind anti-Trump rallies that occured after the election. The government alleged in an indictment signed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller that the defendants organized a Nov. 12 “Trump is NOT my President” rally in New York. Their “strategic goal” was to “sow discord in the U.S. political system,” the indictment said. On Nov. 12, Moore tweeted: “At today’s Trump Tower protest. He wouldn’t come down.” He attached a picture of himself posing with a large number of protesters.

  37. Bodhisattva says:

    Mueller catches another minnow: Lawyer Alex van der Zwaan

    The charging documents released on Tuesday say van der Zwaan made false statements about the last time he communicated with Gates and another unnamed person, only identified as “Person A.”

    He allegedly told investigators he did not know why an email between him and Person A was not produced to the Special Counsel’s office, but had actually deleted or failed to produce emails that were being sought.

    Ah, so he “deleted or failed to produce” e-mails… just like Hillary Clinton!

    And yet she’s not being charged, not yet at least.

  38. Bodhisattva says:

    All of the weapons laws in the world are worthless when criminals decide to ignore them and get (and use) banned weapons anyway.

    Multiple guns, including an AR-15 style rifle, ammunition, grenades, a ballistic vest, and a list of grievances against fellow students were found at the home of the Maryland teen charged with bringing a loaded gun and knife to Clarksburg High School last week, according to prosecutors and a Montgomery County police officer who spoke in court Tuesday.

    Montgomery County Police said that on February 15, 18-year-old Alwin Chen was arrested and charged with possession of a handgun, possession of a firearm by a person under 21 years old and possession of a firearm on school property after the incident.

  39. Grumpy Cat says:

    Transsexual lunacy meets: opera. A man who looks like a woman sings a male role with a mans voice while looking like a woman. Got that?

  40. Bodhisattva says:

    Tourists caught smuggling gold into Japan inside their rectums

    Seven South Korean tourists attempted to smuggle blocks of gold into Japan at the end of January by hiding them in their rectums, according to aviation industry sources.

    The suspects, all women in their 50s and 60s, were traveling from Incheon International Airport, South Korea, to Chubu Airport here. Metal objects were detected in their abdomen by X-rays and other inspections at customs.

    The objects were found to be roundish-shaped blocks of gold sealed inside transparent bags. Each woman had concealed between five and eight items weighing about 200 grams each, which were confiscated by customs inspectors.

    The airport’s customs bureau intends to fine the women for smuggling and avoiding paying consumption taxes on imported goods. The gold will be returned to them if they pay the penalties.

  41. Grumpy Cat says:

    At least they’re not full of shit.

  42. Bodhisattva says:

    Could you repeat the middle part?

  43. Bodhisattva says:

    Cristina Garcia, a California state lawmaker at the forefront of the #MeToo movement faces a growing number of sexual misconduct allegations herself. Four former employees filed a formal complaint against Democratic Assemblywoman Cristina Garcia. Another says he was fired after protesting when Garcia suggested playing “spin the bottle.”

    As a #MeToo activist, she’s called on those accused of harassment to resign immediately – but she does not plan to do so herself.

  44. Bodhisattva says:

    The U.S. also has an “eco-gas” program…

    German War Planes Grounded By Eco-Gas

    Germany’s air fleet was grounded this week after “too much biodiesel” fuel found its ways into the gas tanks, according to German reports saying the Luftwaffe cannot safely fly with such a mixture.

    Germany’s Tornado fleet of war planes was reportedly grounded after an unsafe mixture including too much biodiesel was used to fuel the planes, requiring the fleet to be grounded and their fuel tanks flushed.

  45. Bodhisattva says:

    I got noting.

    I mean, seriously, how does one follow that?

  46. Bodhisattva says:

    Yeah, I figured that out before I did any real damage (I hope) and switched to cross country skiing, bike riding and still do some hiking but not running any more.

    Thanks for the heads up.

  47. Bodhisattva says:

    Obama meddled in a bunch of elections – and helped get a bunch of civil wars started from Morocco to Syria and beyond.

  48. Bodhisattva says:

    Yeah actually as a matter of fact I can.

    Every time it solves their burning desire to answer the question, “But what can we do” when they virtue signal. It makes them feel so much better that instead of just talking about it, they actually did something about it. Wore little ribbons, made up clever hash tags, made a bunch of angry TWITTER and FACEBOOK posts, then went to sleep confident that they really had an impact!

    Oh, wait, you meant have their meaningless gestures actually solved any real world problem.

    No, you got me there.

    In fact they arguably make problems worse and gun control is a prime example. They’ve successfully contributed to efforts to disarm more law-abiding citizens, turning them into potential (and in some cases actual) victims.

  49. Bodhisattva says:

    They must, especially the kind that comes from bulls, since that’s the kind they’re constantly projectile vomiting from those dirty mouths of theirs.

  50. Bodhisattva says:

    No doubt you’ve now heard how Russia colluded with Democrats to bring off what some news media described as the biggest ANTI-TRUMP demonstration ever in New York City.

    Funny, I don’t see Mueller pursuing that huge lead.

  51. KirklesWorth says:


  52. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Communists and totalitarians seem right at home in the Big Apple.

  53. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Hollywood has done their best to make homosexuality and cross-dressing mainstream.

  54. Mr. Freemarket says:

    And who says he was an unsuccessful president!!

  55. Bodhisattva says:

    He was so successful – at being evil. With Soros and the others he looked up to and emulated as your inspiration, I suppose that would be considered success.

  56. Bodhisattva says:

    Fortunately it’s still relatively rare and sane people know such behaviors are not good.

  57. Bodhisattva says:

    I looked that up and it said, “See liberal/Democrat/moonbat.

    But that is an idea. If we can just get the homeless to try that novel solution to cleaning up their act, it would be a start!

  58. Mr. Freemarket says:

    Obama was successful, just as Hitler was successful.

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