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Jun 07 2015

Report: Vets Asked to Choose Between Benefits and Constitutional Rights

Great news for the veterans who laid their lives on the line for their government — or rather, for the liberties that our government exists to secure. They will be allowed to buy back their infringed Second Amendment liberties in exchange for the benefits they earned with their service:

A legal team investigating the Obama administration’s order that certain American military veterans deemed “incompetent” give up their weapons says the problem is worse than expected.

People who live with veterans now are being ordered not to possess a gun, and some veterans are told they can “buy back” their Second Amendment rights by giving up their veterans’ benefits.

“This is simply unbelievable, On the one hand the [Veterans Administration] and the FBI have found veterans to be mentally ill and too dangerous to be allowed to own firearms, while on the other hand allowing these allegedly dangerous people to buy their firearms rights back,” wrote Michael Connelly, executive director of the United States Justice Foundation in a report.

The radicalized Democrat Party may come to regret systematically demonizing and alienating veterans and active service personnel.

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On a tip from Dan F.



33 Responses to “Report: Vets Asked to Choose Between Benefits and Constitutional Rights”

  1. DinaRehn says:

    Since we’re on the subject of the national Socialist Left going after Civil Liberties:

    NRA: Gun blogs, videos, web forums threatened by new Obama regulation
    Commonly used and unregulated internet discussions and videos about guns and ammo could be closed down under rules proposed by the State Department, amounting to a “gag order on firearm-related speech,” the National Rifle Association is warning.

    In updating regulations governing international arms sales, State is demanding that anyone who puts technical details about arms and ammo on the web first get the OK from the federal government — or face a fine of up to $1 million and 20 years in jail.

    According to the NRA, that would include blogs and web forums discussing technical details of common guns and ammunition, the type of info gun owners and ammo reloaders trade all the time.

    “Gunsmiths, manufacturers, reloaders, and do-it-yourselfers could all find themselves muzzled under the rule and unable to distribute or obtain the information they rely on to conduct these activities,” said the NRA in a blog posting.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nra-gun-blogs-videos-web-forums-threatened-by-new-obama-regulation/article/2565762

    Stop Obama’s Planned Gag Order On Firearm-Related Speech

    Even as news reports have been highlighting the gun control provisions of the Administration’s “Unified Agenda” of regulatory objectives (see accompanying story), the Obama State Department has been quietly moving ahead with a proposal that could censor online speech related to firearms. This latest regulatory assault, published in the June 3 issue of the Federal Register, is as much an affront to the First Amendment as it is to the Second. Your action is urgently needed to ensure that online blogs, videos, and web forums devoted to the technical aspects of firearms and ammunition do not become subject to prior review by State Department bureaucrats before they can be published.

    To understand the proposal and why it’s so serious, some background information is necessary.

    For the past several years, the Administration has been pursuing a large-scale overhaul of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), which implement the federal Arms Export Control Act (AECA). The Act regulates the movement of so-called “defense articles” and “defense services” in and out of the United States. These articles and services are enumerated in a multi-part “U.S. Munitions List,” which covers everything from firearms and ammunition (and related accessories) to strategic bombers. The transnational movement of any defense article or service on the Munitions List presumptively requires a license from the State Department. Producers of such articles and services, moreover, must register with the U.S. Government and pay a hefty fee for doing so.

    Also regulated under ITAR are so-called “technical data” about defense articles. These include, among other things, “detailed design, development, production or manufacturing information” about firearms or ammunition. Specific examples of technical data are blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation.
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/07/stop-obamas-planned-gag-order-on-firearm-related-speech/

  2. $59154503 says:

    Since we’re on the subject of the national Socialist Left going after Civil Liberties:

    NRA: Gun blogs, videos, web forums threatened by new Obama regulation
    Commonly used and unregulated internet discussions and videos about guns and ammo could be closed down under rules proposed by the State Department, amounting to a “gag order on firearm-related speech,” the National Rifle Association is warning.

    In updating regulations governing international arms sales, State is demanding that anyone who puts technical details about arms and ammo on the web first get the OK from the federal government — or face a fine of up to $1 million and 20 years in jail.

    According to the NRA, that would include blogs and web forums discussing technical details of common guns and ammunition, the type of info gun owners and ammo reloaders trade all the time.

    “Gunsmiths, manufacturers, reloaders, and do-it-yourselfers could all find themselves muzzled under the rule and unable to distribute or obtain the information they rely on to conduct these activities,” said the NRA in a blog posting.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nra-gun-blogs-videos-web-forums-threatened-by-new-obama-regulation/article/2565762

    Stop Obama’s Planned Gag Order On Firearm-Related Speech

    Even as news reports have been highlighting the gun control provisions of the Administration’s “Unified Agenda” of regulatory objectives (see accompanying story), the Obama State Department has been quietly moving ahead with a proposal that could censor online speech related to firearms. This latest regulatory assault, published in the June 3 issue of the Federal Register, is as much an affront to the First Amendment as it is to the Second. Your action is urgently needed to ensure that online blogs, videos, and web forums devoted to the technical aspects of firearms and ammunition do not become subject to prior review by State Department bureaucrats before they can be published.

    To understand the proposal and why it’s so serious, some background information is necessary.

    For the past several years, the Administration has been pursuing a large-scale overhaul of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), which implement the federal Arms Export Control Act (AECA). The Act regulates the movement of so-called “defense articles” and “defense services” in and out of the United States. These articles and services are enumerated in a multi-part “U.S. Munitions List,” which covers everything from firearms and ammunition (and related accessories) to strategic bombers. The transnational movement of any defense article or service on the Munitions List presumptively requires a license from the State Department. Producers of such articles and services, moreover, must register with the U.S. Government and pay a hefty fee for doing so.

    Also regulated under ITAR are so-called “technical data” about defense articles. These include, among other things, “detailed design, development, production or manufacturing information” about firearms or ammunition. Specific examples of technical data are blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation.
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/07/stop-obamas-planned-gag-order-on-firearm-related-speech/

  3. 762x51 says:

    Give up your rights or buy them back, hmmm. Wait! There is a third
    alternative. FIGHT!! How many damn times do I have to say it?

    The current United States government is the largest, most powerful
    criminal enterprise on Earth. It is no more legitimate than the Mafia
    or the Mexican drug cartels and can only be stopped the same way those
    criminals are stopped, BY FORCE OF ARMS!

    You cannot avoid the fight that is coming, all you can do is decide which side you are on and prepare.

  4. 762x51 says:

    Give up your rights or buy them back, hmmm. Wait! There is a third
    alternative. FIGHT!! How many damn times do I have to say it?

    The current United States government is the largest, most powerful
    criminal enterprise on Earth. It is no more legitimate than the Mafia
    or the Mexican drug cartels and can only be stopped the same way those
    criminals are stopped, BY FORCE OF ARMS!

    You cannot avoid the fight that is coming, all you can do is decide which side you are on and prepare.

  5. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I’m sorry; the presence of your posting name gives technical details on a specific size cartridge. You must leave this site immediately or know that Moonbattery may be required to get permission from Big Fed to keep publishing.

    BTW, I kind of like the 7.62x54R. Bury them in your back yard and dig them up 54 years later and they still perform just fine.

  6. Mr. Freemarket says:

    I’m sorry; the presence of your posting name gives technical details on a specific size cartridge. You must leave this site immediately or know that Moonbattery may be required to get permission from Big Fed to keep publishing.

    BTW, I kind of like the 7.62x54R. Bury them in your back yard and dig them up 54 years later and they still perform just fine.

  7. Son_of_Taz says:

    At any other time in our history, such a law would be unthinkable. Even in the screwed-up world of the Kenyan Village Idiot, I doubt such a law or Executive Order would be deemed constitutional by SCOTUS.

    Of course, the Idiot still has about 17 months to go……

  8. Eddie_Valiant says:

    At any other time in our history, such a law would be unthinkable. Even in the screwed-up world of the Kenyan Village Idiot, I doubt such a law or Executive Order would be deemed constitutional by SCOTUS.

    Of course, the Idiot still has about 17 months to go……

  9. DinaRehn says:

    It’s going to be a Lonnnnnng 17 months…

    And that is IF he is going to leave.. he cares not about the other restraints on his power, what makes anyone think that he’s going to care about the little detail of the end of his term.

    He thinks he’s indispensable and all he needs is a the right serious crisis to prove that to the rest of us.

    The man clearly doesn’t care about the destruction of liberty, or the destruction of his own party.

    At some point the man is going to have to be impeached – people need to know and internalize this fact and support the tough work of bringing it about.

  10. $59154503 says:

    It’s going to be a Lonnnnnng 17 months…

    And that is IF he is going to leave.. he cares not about the other restraints on his power, what makes anyone think that he’s going to care about the little detail of the end of his term.

    He thinks he’s indispensable and all he needs is a the right serious crisis to prove that to the rest of us.

    The man clearly doesn’t care about the destruction of liberty, or the destruction of his own party.

    At some point the man is going to have to be impeached – people need to know and internalize this fact and support the tough work of bringing it about.

  11. Gunny G Alz says:

    I’ve been ready to revolt since the BJ Bubba Clinton days!

  12. I’ve been ready to revolt since the BJ Bubba Clinton days!

  13. Gunny G Alz says:

    Time to impeach the muthafucka!

  14. Time to impeach the muthafucka!

  15. Auntie Emm says:

    THIS is absolutely horrific!! I may not agree with all the useless wars for profit, but it find that THIS makes me even more suspicious of the government, and the Pentagon officials than I already am.

    That said, the government of this nation works for the Jesuit and Federal Reserve agenda. They’ve let the Federal Reserve STEAL from everyone, including the Seniors on Social Security, giving the money away, keeping us poor on purpose, and they keep stealing from taxpayers. They covet every other nations wealth, and people wonder why they are hated so much.

    They’re criminals at large, on the worlds most wanted lists, and they’ll be arrested legally. They let Monsanto poison the food and the earth it grows on, by accepting bribes, and have a revolving door policy with them in the ‘white house’ making the rules. They let the Drug industry have their way, using chemicals and outmoded treatments on their patients. They’ve lied about how vaccines ‘damage people’, and there’s much more, including the fact that these guys were subjected not just to vaccine testing, but sheer brutality forcing them to murder innocent civilians, leaving a trail of not only agent orange (Nam), but depleted uranium with crippling affects on innocent babies, overseas and at home. Our own returning soldiers whom did have children most recently have had them with birth defects, same as the innocence in Iraq, that are too horrible to discuss here.

    Now tell me, Government agents!!! WHO is paying you to do this??? We the people ‘will’ bring you all up on charges, just as the International Court at the Hague will prosecute you all for Crimes Against Humanity. Mark my words…the US political nutballs better find a better place than those tunnels they’ve been digging for years because they will find you. You ‘are’ less than vermin and it’s not just people that know the truth of what you’ve done, it’s the entire world. (WE saw what you did, WE know who you are. Don’t wonder ‘why’ you have enemies.

  16. Auntie Emm says:

    THIS is absolutely horrific!! I may not agree with all the useless wars for profit, but it find that THIS makes me even more suspicious of the government, and the Pentagon officials than I already am.

    That said, the government of this nation works for the Jesuit and Federal Reserve agenda. They’ve let the Federal Reserve STEAL from everyone, including the Seniors on Social Security, giving the money away, keeping us poor on purpose, and they keep stealing from taxpayers. They covet every other nations wealth, and people wonder why they are hated so much.

    They’re criminals at large, on the worlds most wanted lists, and they’ll be arrested legally. They let Monsanto poison the food and the earth it grows on, by accepting bribes, and have a revolving door policy with them in the ‘white house’ making the rules. They let the Drug industry have their way, using chemicals and outmoded treatments on their patients. They’ve lied about how vaccines ‘damage people’, and there’s much more, including the fact that these guys were subjected not just to vaccine testing, but sheer brutality forcing them to murder innocent civilians, leaving a trail of not only agent orange (Nam), but depleted uranium with crippling affects on innocent babies, overseas and at home. Our own returning soldiers whom did have children most recently have had them with birth defects, same as the innocence in Iraq, that are too horrible to discuss here.

    Now tell me, Government agents!!! WHO is paying you to do this??? We the people ‘will’ bring you all up on charges, just as the International Court at the Hague will prosecute you all for Crimes Against Humanity. Mark my words…the US political nutballs better find a better place than those tunnels they’ve been digging for years because they will find you. You ‘are’ less than vermin and it’s not just people that know the truth of what you’ve done, it’s the entire world. (WE saw what you did, WE know who you are. Don’t wonder ‘why’ you have enemies.

  17. bobdog19006 says:

    Seems to me the Democrat party is culturally incapable of feeling shame, let alone regret.

  18. bobdog19006 says:

    Seems to me the Democrat party is culturally incapable of feeling shame, let alone regret.

  19. Son_of_Taz says:

    Oh he’ll leave – either vertically or horizontally.

    The Idiot’s greed will kick in. He’ll go on the speaking circuit and pull down more money per speech from self-hating white academics than Slick Willie does. Then he’ll go golfing in places that wouldn’t hire him as a kitchen helper.

  20. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Oh he’ll leave – either vertically or horizontally.

    The Idiot’s greed will kick in. He’ll go on the speaking circuit and pull down more money per speech from self-hating white academics than Slick Willie does. Then he’ll go golfing in places that wouldn’t hire him as a kitchen helper.

  21. […] Report: Vets Asked to Choose Between Benefits and Constitutional Rights […]

  22. 762x51 says:

    Feeling shame requires having a conscience, so no, neither the Democrat Party nor its membership can feel shame. Sociopathic behavior precludes conscience.

  23. 762x51 says:

    Feeling shame requires having a conscience, so no, neither the Democrat Party nor its membership can feel shame. Sociopathic behavior precludes conscience.

  24. 762x51 says:

    Yeah, I saw that “regulation” Leave it to the libtards to figure out a way to violate the 1st AND 2nd Amendments simultaneously.

    I own a website that discusses firearms, etc. Can’t wait for them to try and shut me down. I also sell ITAR regulated products, for example, Body armor that is superior in every metric to what the DOD issues. Certain SOCOM operators use it but the main DOD has too much money in the old SAPI / ESAPI plates to issue new, improved, lighter armor to our troops. That said, under ITAR, I cannot sell you a set of better plates to send to your son in Afghanistan even though it is going to a US military base, THAT is how insane ITAR is.

    Pricks want a war, I’ll give them one they will never forget.

    The 7.62 x 54R is a good cartridge considering its age. Within its performance envelope it can still deliver decent accuracy but its forte is the reliability you mentioned. Developed and first adopted by the Imperial Russian Army in 1891, it is the longest serving combat round in existence. The ammo you are most likely using today is the 7N1 variant which was developed in 1966 for the Dragunov SVD sniper rifle. It uses a 151gr boat tail FMJ bullet over a match grade extruded powder instead of the earlier ball propellant.

    If you can find them, the even newer 7N14 round, developed in 1999 as a response to hard armor plate, will give better performance against body armor. It uses the same weight bullet but with a hardened steel core penetrator instead of the mild steel core of the 7N1 round.

    Like all Russian armaments, it is extremely reliable, but far less accurate than its western counterparts. That big, fat, rimmed casehead still looks funny though. Guess I have been using rebated, rimless cartridges too long.

    This is exactly the type of discussion the new ITAR regulations seeks to silence. Let’s see these scum regulate this thread.

  25. 762x51 says:

    Yeah, I saw that “regulation” Leave it to the libtards to figure out a way to violate the 1st AND 2nd Amendments simultaneously.

    I own a website that discusses firearms, etc. Can’t wait for them to try and shut me down. I also sell ITAR regulated products, for example, Body armor that is superior in every metric to what the DOD issues. Certain SOCOM operators use it but the main DOD has too much money in the old SAPI / ESAPI plates to issue new, improved, lighter armor to our troops. That said, under ITAR, I cannot sell you a set of better plates to send to your son in Afghanistan even though it is going to a US military base, THAT is how insane ITAR is.

    Pricks want a war, I’ll give them one they will never forget.

    The 7.62 x 54R is a good cartridge considering its age. Within its performance envelope it can still deliver decent accuracy but its forte is the reliability you mentioned. Developed and first adopted by the Imperial Russian Army in 1891, it is the longest serving combat round in existence. The ammo you are most likely using today is the 7N1 variant which was developed in 1966 for the Dragunov SVD sniper rifle. It uses a 151gr boat tail FMJ bullet over a match grade extruded powder instead of the earlier ball propellant.

    If you can find them, the even newer 7N14 round, developed in 1999 as a response to hard armor plate, will give better performance against body armor. It uses the same weight bullet but with a hardened steel core penetrator instead of the mild steel core of the 7N1 round.

    Like all Russian armaments, it is extremely reliable, but far less accurate than its western counterparts. That big, fat, rimmed casehead still looks funny though. Guess I have been using rebated, rimless cartridges too long.

    This is exactly the type of discussion the new ITAR regulations seeks to silence. Let’s see these scum regulate this thread.

  26. 762x51 says:

    Unfortunately, your observation about his greed is the only possible hope we have that he will actually relinquish power in 2017. That said, being a narcissistic sociopath, he cannot exist without the adoration showered on him by his idolators. Like every tyrant in history, his lust for wealth and power at least equals his desire to be worshiped. It will be interesting to see which weakness wins that internal struggle.

  27. 762x51 says:

    Unfortunately, your observation about his greed is the only possible hope we have that he will actually relinquish power in 2017. That said, being a narcissistic sociopath, he cannot exist without the adoration showered on him by his idolators. Like every tyrant in history, his lust for wealth and power at least equals his desire to be worshiped. It will be interesting to see which weakness wins that internal struggle.

  28. 762x51 says:

    As much as I loathe Barack Obama, if you started impeachment TODAY, it would take longer than 17 months to accomplish. Plus you have to remember that there are not enough votes in the Senate to convict so it is a moot point. Just the reality of it.

  29. 762x51 says:

    As much as I loathe Barack Obama, if you started impeachment TODAY, it would take longer than 17 months to accomplish. Plus you have to remember that there are not enough votes in the Senate to convict so it is a moot point. Just the reality of it.

  30. DinaRehn says:

    This is true – but without the threat of impeachment, what is there to stop a lawless president?

    What’s to stop him from simply granting citizenship to 30 – 40 Million illegal invaders?

    What’s to stop him from simple remaining in office after his term ends?

    Just spitballing here – not trying to give them any ideas..

  31. $59154503 says:

    This is true – but without the threat of impeachment, what is there to stop a lawless president?

    What’s to stop him from simply granting citizenship to 30 – 40 Million illegal invaders?

    What’s to stop him from simple remaining in office after his term ends?

    Just spitballing here – not trying to give them any ideas..

  32. Mr. Freemarket says:

    The reality is that if you attempt to cut off the flow of technology, both others will fill the void and people will, as well, develop their own technical expertise.

    After all…how much “gun” technology is actually new?

  33. Mr. Freemarket says:

    The reality is that if you attempt to cut off the flow of technology, both others will fill the void and people will, as well, develop their own technical expertise.

    After all…how much “gun” technology is actually new?


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