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Aug 15 2016

Sean Hannity Prepares the Stab in the Back Narrative

At this point, not even the most glassy-eyed Branch Trumpidians can fail to see the train wreck directly ahead. Media Trumpists have been responding to the disaster they set in motion in various ways. Avid Trump-humpers Joe Scarborough and Andrea Peyser now denounce The Donald; Scarborough implausibly denies that he ever supported Trump. The irredeemably foolish shrilly denounce those who won’t ride along to the bitter end. Laura Ingraham screeches that it is “immoral” not to vote for the constantly lying, wife-dumping, scam-operating casino magnate. Sean Hannity shares this opinion, and more ominously has helped prepare a stab in the back theory to explain Trump’s impending collapse.

Here Hannity accuses Trump’s conservative opponents of sabotaging his campaign and calls them “disgusting”:

In case the message didn’t come through that conservative resistance to Trump is responsible for the predictable disaster that is the Trump candidacy, here Hannity spells it out still more plainly:

It is a relief to know that Trump doesn’t want the support of NeverTrumpers anyway. Yet if we really are making the difference between winning and losing, maybe he should reconsider his stance. More likely the wheels are coming off the Trump campaign due to his extreme political incompetence, not intransigent conservatives. It is also possible that people are waking up to the implications of voting for an authoritarian megalomaniac who promised to issue unlawful orders to torture and murder.

Although I can’t agree with Bret Stephens on immigration, he does have a clear understanding of Sean Hannity:

Mr. Hannity has never made a secret of his feelings for Mr. Trump, which is the love that dares to speak its name. But his comments were also a revelation, and not just that it has dawned on him that the Republican nominee is likely to lose and lose big. Like members of a cult who discover too late that their self-proclaimed messiah is mortal after all, rationalizations are required.

Trump has been trying out his own disreputable rationalization, the claim the election will be “rigged” against him. However,

Mr. Hannity’s excuses are even more disgraceful, combining oily self-absolution with venomous obloquy for the very conservatives who have spent the year warning that a Trump candidacy is an epic GOP disaster that all-but guarantees Hillary Clinton’s election. The habit of shifting blame and refusing to take responsibility is supposed to be the curse of the underclass and its political hucksters, but Mr. Hannity is giving Al Sharpton a run for his money.

Stephens couldn’t help but conclude that Hannity is either stupid or dishonest…

I opted to give him the benefit of the doubt by writing on Twitter that he was Fox’s “dumbest anchor.” He immediately proved my point by re-tweeting me to his 1.5 million Twitter followers—an audience I could never have reached on my own. Later, on the radio, he called me a “dumba— with his head up his a—,” demonstrating he can’t even swear competently.

Funny as it may be to watch Hannity try to land a haymaker and wind up on his face, his attitude is alarming, because it suggests that the cancer that is Trumpism may continue to erode the Right even after November. The GOP cannot heal so long as it is infested with Branch Trumpidians muttering darkly to each other that they were robbed by pointy-headed intellectuals who read books and stuff.

This is the reason I’ve consistently argued that the only hope for a conservative restoration is a blowout Hillary Clinton victory, held in check by a Republican majority in Congress. If Mr. Trump loses the election narrowly, the stab-in-the-back thesis will have a patina of credibility that he might have won had it not been for the opposition of people like me. But a McGovern-style defeat makes that argument impossible to sustain except among the most cretinous. We can count on Mr. Hannity for that.

We have come to a pretty pass when conservatives publicly hope for a corrupt, incompetent, leftwing extremist not only to win but to win in a landslide.

On tips from Varla, Torcer, and TrojanMan.

273 Responses to “Sean Hannity Prepares the Stab in the Back Narrative”

  1. bobdog19006 says:

    Dear Dave:

    Interesting post. Please write a similar analysis of what you think a Hillary Clinton presidency will look like, because that’s what happens if Trump does not win the election. There is no third choice that an adult would agree with.

    I’d welcome your expectations for the economy, border security, race relations, the Supreme Court, the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth and Tenth amendments, national security, diplomatic relations, White House honesty and transparency, Congressional relations, our national debt, political partisanship in our ostensibly neutral federal agencies, and our declining freedom.

    My grandkids would really like to know how you think this is all going to turn out and what you propose to prevent it.

    Best regards.

  2. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    For all that Hannity likes to say that he’s a “registered conservative,” he has always been first and foremost a GOP shill as biased as any Dem shill in the rest of the MSM.

  3. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    I agree with all you imply. Hilary would be far worse than Trump in most ways. I’m not as down on Trump as many conservatives are, but it still pisses me off that people are using Clinton like a gun to my head to make me vote for a guy I would otherwise never consider for even a second. But that feeling is nothing new for me. Felt that way in 2008 and 2012, too.

  4. Backbone76 says:

    Ugh, holding my nose. What the hell has happened to Hannity? He used to be at least tolerable back in the “Hannity and Colmes” days, now he’s totally off the deep end.

    We knew from the early days of the republican primaries that Donald Drumpf loses to Shrillary in a landslide in the general election. Any of the other candidates would have likely beaten her in the general. Since this election was already lost when the GOP nominated Drumpf, it’s amusing to hear sycophants like Hannity whine about a rigged election and evil disgusting repubs who refuse to back a progressive big government liberal like Drumpf. You are absolutely right Dave that these losers will continue to drag down the GOP for years to come even after this complete disaster in November. The GOP won’t win another election until it unites behind the same conservative principles upon which the party and this country were founded upon.
    I also love Hannity’s little chart of all the good things that Drumpf has promised to do if he is successful in fooling enough republican sucker voters to get elected. I would like to ask Sean Hannity how he can possibly trust ANYTHING that Drumpf says. Drumpf has flip-flopped on nearly every issue up for discussion, he is and always has been a big government NY liberal who has been in bed with the Clintons from day 1. I personally think the election is rigged too–I think Drumpf is purposely tanking his campaign to assure Shrillary gets elected. Even DEMOCRATS don’t want to vote for her!!! Nearly all my liberal friends don’t want to vote for her, but won’t vote for Trump by any means.
    This election will go down in history as one of the GOPs biggest misses.

  5. Stephen says:

    “Although I can’t agree with Bret Stephens on immigration”

    Of course can agree with an advocate for open borders, he’s done so very recently and repeatedly made it clear that immigration is an irrelevant issue at most. At the very least he’s made it crystal clear that one can be a principled True Conservative and an advocate for mass 3rd world immigration, a position which reveals the incoherence at the core of Ideological Conservatism.


    “the reason I’ve consistently argued that the only hope for a conservative restoration is a blowout Hillary Clinton victory, held in check by a Republican majority in Congress.”
    Conservatives always lose and they never learn. If you think a Hillary blowout win will be followed be either a) Republicans holding Hillary in check; or b) a conservative restoration, then really you shouldn’t be signing your own contracts.
    Its a shame conservatives don’t understand really basic bad simple math, if they did they’d figure this out pretty quickly:
    1. White guys are conservative, lots of us anyway, and our wives and kids tend to be too;
    2. Non-whites and non-guys aren’t conservative, they tend to vote for measures where the end result is a transfer of money from white guys to non white guys;
    3. Trump may be the best candidate on immigration in our life time (at least for those of us who, unlike Dave, think keeping alien hordes out of the country is a good thing);
    4. Hillary is horrible on immigration, worse even than Obama or Bush and she will undoubtedly flood the country with even more voters who want free stuff from white guys.
    Hillary as prez — conservatives in 4 years will be an even smaller percentage of the voting pop
    Trump as prez — maybe we start to fight off our demographic and electoral displacement.
    Its simple math.

  6. bobdog19006 says:

    Pretty damned frustrating, I know, jefferson, but you get two choices, and only two. It’s a binary choice. I’m just pointing out what they are.

    Not to vote is to vote. Whether Hillary Clinton becomes our next dictator in chief is partly up to you.

  7. KirklesWorth says:

    That makes too much sense. Get ready for the irrational anti-Trump Hillary enablers to attack.

  8. Stephen says:

    A Hillary blowout win will lead to her getting whatever she wants. Given Ryan’s proclivities that means mass 3rd world immigration.
    What does that mean for your grandchildren? Ask some white Rhodesians how being a minority white in a democratic country worked out for them.

  9. Feet2Fire says:

    “Branch Trumpidians”?? Good grief. Just because you dislike Trump, you don’t have to insult the folks who support him.

    When he says he doesn’t want the support of NeverTrumpers, he is referring to the “terrible people” who write sabotaging letters and news articles, and not to grassroot voters.

  10. KirklesWorth says:

    They can’t help but take up moonbats’ techniques as they irrationally justify allowing Hillary to become president while using twisted logic to blame Trump supporters. The anti-Trump Hillary-enabling “conservatives” want to “punish” everybody for not nominating Ted Cruz – even to the point of handing over the country to a progressive-liberal-socialist criminal and her syndicate.

  11. Feet2Fire says:

    There is no third choice that an adult would agree with.

    Exactly. Knocking Trump and encouraging people to “go elsewhere” is just handing the country over to Hillary and her Corrupt Cronies and Muslim Hordes.

  12. KirklesWorth says:

    Right on. Vote-splitters worked so well with Ron Paul and Ross Perot, right?

  13. Feet2Fire says:

    Unfortunately, the media blitzkrieg against Trump is starting to demoralize some folks (which is why they’re doing it); and for others, just the endless repetition of insults and lies about Trump is sinking into their uninformed skulls to influence their attitudes.


  14. KirklesWorth says:

    Maybe Trump is biding his time (and his campaign money) to do an October blitz that will force some of these bedwetters into reality.

  15. Feet2Fire says:

    Hope so.

  16. Eddie_Valiant says:

    My grandkids would really like to know how you think this is all going to turn out and what you propose to prevent it.

    I can answer that. We lose the United States that we once knew. But, don’t blame Dave or the #NeverTrump crowd. This started about 50 or so years ago when JFK signed the law permitting public unions, even though the sainted FDR was dead set against them. That allowed the growth of the teacher’s unions that have poisoned the minds of millions of public school students. Any wonder why we have a BLM, “safe spaces,” homosexual marriage, or “transgender” bathrooms?

    They’ve been taught that the white race is the source of all evil and the white man exploited everyone else on the planet. The same douche bags that put forth that type of hate are doing so on computers and iPhones that wouldn’t exist if it were not for the “old white guys” that saw the future and funded it with their hard earned money.

    You defend Trump, but never address his own absurd comments that a left-wing press is using to destroy him. The man is a fool, and would be impossible to work with. He demands everything and whines like a child when he doesn’t get it. I wish I could link to the documentary about Trump’s personal jet that showed the pilot of the aircraft using Q-tips to clean the dust out of the tiny hinge lines of the overhead compartments. The pilot says “Mr Trump would notice something like that.” Wow, he must be a joy to work with.

    You can tell your kids and grandkids (mine too) that the US we once knew was a great place, but was allowed to rot from within because no one would stand up to political correctness. No one would enforce the immigration laws. No one would require a simple voter ID.

    My once optimistic view has turned decidedly pessimistic. The war is almost over and we are about to lose it. As a country, we turned away from God, failed to enforce our own laws in exchange for a few votes and have continually elected people who have no idea what they’re doing.

  17. KirklesWorth says:

    So time to give up and hand it to Hillary?

  18. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Dream on!

  19. Rondo says:

    People hate Trump more than they love America.

  20. Eddie_Valiant says:

    No, we love America, which is why we don’t want Trump to be the candidate.

  21. KirklesWorth says:

    As opposed to give up to Hillary?

  22. Feet2Fire says:

    Sorry, Eddie. It’s too late. The choice is between HILLARY and TRUMP.

  23. KirklesWorth says:

    You must love Hillary’s version of America then.

  24. Feet2Fire says:


  25. Feet2Fire says:

    Ask some white Rhodesians how being a minority white in a democratic predominantly colored country worked out for them.
    Because that’s where we are headed, and Crazy Hillary will speed up the process of de-whitening America.

  26. Eddie_Valiant says:

    KIrkles, what you guys don’t seem to want to understand is Trump is his own worst enemy. The left-wing press hates him, and whether he says it or not, is going to foment as much hatred against him as possible.

    Read the polls on They provide a list of polls that shows the inevitable truth – Clinton is leading, and she is doing so because Trump is a buffoon that shoots himself in the head each time he opens his mouth.

  27. Feet2Fire says:

    They’ve been taught that the white race is the source of all evil and the white man exploited everyone else on the planet.

    Hillary and her ilk are WHO has taught our children those lies. And TRUMP is the one who wants to get rid of Political Correctness, build the WALL, stop this mass migration from Third World, and many other POSITIVE CHANGES. His style is brusque and imo sometimes rude and ill-mannered, but he’s still better than Hillary; and we’re voting for him. We hope others will soon wake up and realize there’s a lot more at stake than their own pique toward Trump; and resisting reality that the choice is “binary” is shooting ourselves in the foot.

  28. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    All true. Though the press would be demonizing him even if he didn’t give them so much to work with. Trump just makes their hatchet job easier. I guess I’m slowly getting resigned to what is coming. Bad or worse short term. We are in for some interesting times here.

  29. Rondo says:

    As Donald Trump continues his string of controversial utterances, polite types in the GOP Establishment are clenching their stress balls. Some voters, even Republicans, are reportedly considering the “safer” alternative of Hillary Clinton.

    One thing is crystal clear, and it should cause voters to question whether they are fleeing to much more dangerous ground with Hillary: the actual records of Clinton and Trump.

    But talk is talk. Trump says a lot of things for effect and to snag free media. Sometimes he’s having some fun or being sarcastic, and the ponderous politically correct, whose language policing doesn’t allow for subtlety, takes him literally.

    But one thing is crystal clear, and it should cause voters to question whether they are fleeing to much more dangerous ground with Hillary: the actual records of Clinton and Trump. That is, what they did — not what they said. And a look at Hillary Clinton’s performance as secretary of state should prompt grave concern and even fear about her judgment and temperament.

    The New York Times reported last week that women in particular — and even Republican women — were fleeing from Trump over concern that he is a “menace to national security” and emotionally unbalanced.

  30. Feet2Fire says:

    Forget the polls! Am sick of everyone throwing around poll numbers and then throwing their hands in the air, hopelessly. If people would just stop listening to talking heads and poll-pundits and support Trump, we’d have this thing sewn up in nothing flat. Hillary’s health is now a BIG issue and if she even makes it to the debates, it will be a surprise.

  31. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    Health and the possibility of more e-mail releases (though leftist media will help her bury that to large extent). Frankly, I think both of them are perfectly capable of a spectacular implosion.

  32. KirklesWorth says:

    But Trump will be watched like a hawk, and Hillary will be free to run roughshod.

  33. KirklesWorth says:

    You dodged the question: So time to give up and hand it to Hillary?

  34. Feet2Fire says:

    True, and we’ve taken time to write him on his contact page to tell him to get on message and stay there. Hopefully his staff reads those messages and apprises him of how the electorate feels about his performance. Suggest that others do the same.

    His webpage for contacting him via form submission is:
    (If you don’t want to get on his mailing list, you can opt out or use a throwaway email address)
    It can’t hurt to let him know how you feel about how he is doing. Hopefully it will have a positive impact.

    Good luck.

  35. Rondo says:

    Ever since Donald Trump became the GOP nominee, I have listened to the outrage of those dissenters who claim to be conservatives denounce Mr. Trump as an immoral philandering racist while failing to ignore the devastation of a Hillary Clinton win. What is astonishing is that many of the “I will never vote for Trump” crowds are intelligent and respectable pillars in a world I don’t belong to. How can they claim any principle that allows the Clintons back in the White House? Bill Clinton was one of the most disgraceful leaders in America’s history and Hillary was his self-serving enabler. His immorality and lack of character makes Donald Trump look like an altar boy. I am not speaking of his despicable behavior with intern Monica Lewinsky and the despoiling of the Oval office. Sadly, many Americans dismissed his behavior as human and even rakish. I find treason an even more damning reason to keep the Clintons as far away from controlling the government as possible.

    In 1996, Communist China was not an ally but still considered our enemy. Clinton took money from the People’s Republic of China to fund his reelection campaign in exchange for the transfer of sensitive missive technology. The NY Times reported in 1998 that the Clinton Administration notified Congress that it had approved the export of technology to China to permit the launching of a communications satellite aboard a Chinese rocket. Lo and behold, China now has the ability to launch a missile at the United States. Bye, Bye, California. Thanks, Bill.

    Meanwhile, Al Gore was busy making sure that Illegals would be able to vote for the reelection of Clinton/Gore in 1995 by speeding up the naturalization process for 600, 000 immigrants and promised new applicants naturalization in 90 days. One result of the intensive effort was that thousands of immigrants were naturalized even though they had criminal records for such crimes as murder and armed robbery that should have either disqualified them for citizenship or forced them to undergo closer questioning.

  36. FrozenPatriot says:

    Watched by whom? The people on his wing of the big-government uniparty? Please, spare us the foolishness. Watching your own side more closely than watching your opponent has been a priority of no successful leader in no conflict ever. Of course you watch your opponent and scrutinize their actions more closely than your own ideological “allies” (which Trump is not…)

    While Trump may be a temporary political ally, he is certainly no ideological ally. As Dave so eloquently pointed out, he is, without question, a “constantly lying, wife-dumping, scam-operating casino magnate.” That most certainly does not describe any ideological ally of mine. How about you?

  37. KirklesWorth says:

    You for one. Sheesh. How else can we defeat Hillary?

  38. FrozenPatriot says:

    And Johnson and Castle and a SMOD write-in…the last of which is becoming increasingly palatable…

  39. Stephen says:

    “Trump is his own worst enemy. The left-wing press hates him, and whether he says it or not, is going to foment as much hatred against him as possible.”

    What we really need is a candidate who will go out of his way to appease the left-wing press!!!

  40. KirklesWorth says:


  41. FrozenPatriot says:

    It is not up to me to defeat Hitlery, as I am not running against her. It is up to the other ccontestants to defeat her. What’s their plan? Shoot their mouths off and allow the media to easily paint them as fools or worse? That plan is in full effect and is working swimmingly…

  42. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    ‘held in check by a Republican majority in Congress.’

    Since when?

  43. KirklesWorth says:

    What’s YOUR plan? How do we defeat Hillary?

  44. KirklesWorth says:

    Yeah…republicans “held Obama in check” really well, didn’t they?

  45. Pegon Zellschmidt says:

    ‘held in check by a Republican majority in Congress.’

    With a 7-2 Supreme Court (Roberts knows where his butt is bu, I mean where his bread is buttered), who needs a Congress?

  46. Stephen says:

    “No one would enforce the immigration laws.”

    Incorrect. The folks at would enforce the immigration laws. The National Border Patrol Council would enforce the immigration laws. Lot’s of people would enforce the immigration laws, rolling over and giving up on the issue won’t help matters.

  47. Feet2Fire says:

    Baloney. Anybody dull enough to choose any of the above is just throwing away their vote and ushering Hillary in to put the final nails in our American coffin.


  48. KirklesWorth says:

    Palatable as a vote-splitter and Hillary winner?

  49. FrozenPatriot says:

    Can you read? I’m not running for president. She’s the obvious and inevitable result of generations of government school indoctrinated legions of entertainment and freebie obsessed narcissistic psychopaths. This is why, out of three hundred million people, a tiny, vocal minority have given us a “choice” between two narcissistic psychopaths. If we don’t ordain her as our new queen this cycle, someone just like her or worse will win next time.

    The sum of everything I’ve tried to tell you these past few weeks is that politics doesn’t matter any longer. The principles and the foundation of this once-great nation are rotted to the core, and crumbling quickly. Until we adequately address those matters of faith, trust, charity, love, personal responsibility, and hard work, arguing about the narcissistic psychopath of the week is pointless.

  50. KirklesWorth says:

    Don’t worry…we all know what your “plan” is:

    #1 Attack Trump (to “punish” people for nominating him)
    #2 Offer no alternatives
    #3 Goto #1

  51. miforest says:

    I have been a GOP supporter , campaign worker and small scale donor since my first vote. it was for Reagan in 1980.
    It has become clear to me that the heads of the supper PAC’s like K Rove have sold the base out . They Are corrupt . the mega donors in meat packing, light manufacturing, and tech billionaires want OPEN BORDERS. Don’t you find it suspicious that no matter what we hold its never enough? here is the excuse flowchart:
    1: GOP says “we need the house”
    WE work hard and they win the house. they fight the left on nothing,
    2: GOP says : ” we need the senate then we could fix things ”

    3: We work hard and they win the senate. They surrender on all fights,
    fight for nothing.
    4. GOP says “we need the white house too.” George W bush has both house
    and senate.
    5: GOP says ” we cant risk upsetting the voters by doing anything “controversial”
    and letting the dems back in” .
    They try to pass amnesty for illegals and call us, their base , racist bigots
    opposing it. they start a war based on bad intelligence in Iraq that costs 5000
    us casualties, and 3 TRILLION us dollars.
    they increase spending enormously, ignore a banking crisis that collapses the
    banking system in 2008.
    George bush approves the bailout for wallstreet banks, the bailout of GM and
    Chrysler, passes prescription drug benefit for Medicare costing billions.
    they expand the government police state by starting the department of
    Homeland security and nationalizes the screening in airports by starting TSA,
    even Israel with their terrorist threat still uses private security.
    6: Go back to step one suckers. The GOP fields 16 candidate this cycle of which
    NOT 1 has said a word about closing the open border. what a coincidence!

    it’s almost like the donor class is pulling all their strings. funny isn’t it.
    7. in 2020 illegal immigration turn Texas , Louisiana, north Carolina, and Arizona
    red . the loss of any one makes it mathematically impossible for the GOP to
    win the electoral collage.
    Game , Set match . enjoy your tantrum . tour prize is a one party country.
    listening to the infantile foolishness put forth on this blog , and watching the party establishment lick the media’s butt to sabotage the only true outsider to run since Regan makes me sick .

  52. KirklesWorth says:

    Are you sure you want to make Reagan your conservative of comparison?

    Nearly tripled the deficit
    Gave amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants
    Raised the debt ceiling 18 times
    Expanded gun sale background checks and an assault weapon ban
    Signed at least 5 tax increases (Alan Simpson says 11 times)
    Increased the Social Security tax rate
    Unemployment reached 10.8%
    Appointed liberal justice Anthony Kennedy
    Had “issues” with Israel
    Bailed out Social Security for $165 billion
    Was a union leader in the Screen Actors Guild
    Negotiated with and armed terrorists in the Iran-Contra Affair

  53. Stephen says:

    I actually think “Branch Trumpidians” is apropos, though not in the way Dave intends.

    The Branch Davidians were subjected to a military raid by the Clinton Administration (Reno and the ATF) for very minor weapons dealing infractions, the penatly for which was a fine of $50 or $100 a pop. It was an egregious use of force by the Federal Government where an Andy Griffith approach could have solved the problem, an act which ought to offend the sensibilities of anyone who values a bit of restraint on the part of the US Government.

    Dave, by casting the Davidians as the crazy guy in the situation, sides with the Clinton administration against gun owners and due process.

  54. I’ve really grown to despise Hannity- what a tool.

    Always found him a bit of a dimwit anyway, nary an original thought- ever

  55. KirklesWorth says:

    Wow…nicely done!

  56. Angel says:

    Blount is a world-class name-caller, but that’s about it. It is “conservatives” like him who are responsible for the impending death of the conservative movement. How can we possibly work together when no one can survive the contrived conservative “purity” test? I will bet Blount espouses disdain for “political correctness”, yet he uses it as a bludgeon for his own purposes.

  57. KirklesWorth says:

    It’s a testament to the left-wing media for making the right-wing eat-their-own. This will be the third time “conservatives” torpedo the republican candidate – and this time we know Hillary is a criminal when we only suspected Obama was a socialist before.

  58. GhostRider2001 says:

    The sad thing is that if Trump were any kind of statesman #NeverTrump would not have existed. He blew so many opportunities to unite the party behind him. Instead his campaign has been a vaudeville act of alienating one group after another, hurling insults in between making promises and bragging about all the fantasy land things he is going to do as President which he can’t even keep straight from one campaign stop or interview to another. The main argument for voting from Trump is that he is marginally less worse than Hillary. Not exactly a positive argument, given his already tenuous grasp of reality. But that is argument. However, Trump’s un-Presidential temperament keeps pushing people toward the odious Hillary Clinton. What a blown opportunity. The carpetbagger Clinton is even thumping crony capitalist Trump badly in his home state of NY, even though Trump is the consummate political insider in that state.

  59. GhostRider2001 says:

    Then maybe we should send in Barney Fife to help straighten out the Trump campaign.

  60. Occam's Stubble says:

    They were also a bunch of nut-bags masquerading as a church. What church do you know which changed pastors as the result of a running gun battle?

  61. Occam's Stubble says:

    It was Trump’s responsibility to reunite the party after a bruising primary. Rule #1: Don’t continue to go after the second-place finisher. Not only is it poor sportsmanship, it alienates people you’re going to need come November.

  62. GhostRider2001 says:

    He is still in full alienation mode. It’s one thing being a nut who mouths off to the media to make good copy and increase name recognition, it’s an entirely different thing to run for President.

  63. KirklesWorth says:

    Says who? John McCain? Mitt Romney?

  64. KirklesWorth says:

    Uh huh – like “conservatives” weren’t showing their lack of support when they voted for Ted Cruz.

  65. Occam's Stubble says:

    WTF are you talking about? During a primary, you vote for you one you want. After it’s over, you mend fences.

  66. Stephen says:

    Yes indeed they were. They were also American citizens (mostly, anyway) who were entitled to due process.

  67. GhostRider2001 says:

    Trump says it himself every day and in every way.

  68. Occam's Stubble says:

    Yes, they were and if they had heeded lawful orders to surrender, more of them would be alive today. It was their cultish following of Koresh that convinced them everything in the outside world is evil and out to get them that kept them holed up in their compound. Sorry, I have very little sympathy for such people.

  69. grayjohn says:

    If you are a republican, like I used to be, you should be used to getting stabbed in the back by people you thought you could trust. Politics is lies piled on lies, frosted with deception and topped with criminal conspiracy. No point in being upset. You’ve known it was coming all along. These days you can be a Republican, or you can be a conservative, but you can’t be both anymore. Or probably ever again.

  70. Stephen says:

    You’re obviously familiar with the Clinton’s argument where the federal government did no wrong and the Davidians were hell bent on going down in flames.

    Quite a bit more to the story than that I’m afraid.

  71. Spiny Norman says:

    Not anymore, apparently. Attacking those who didn’t support their primary candidate is their new Rule #1.

    The Trumpers claimed they didn’t need the traditional conservatives, anyway, so I really don’t understand their continued vitriol. It’s all they know, I guess.

  72. Occam's Stubble says:

    Love your handle and avatar. Dinsdale!!!!

  73. KirklesWorth says:

    Sure you do…like when Ben Shapiro says on March 4, 2016 “I will never vote for Donald Trump. Here’s why.” Sounds like he’s open to discussion to me.

  74. Spiny Norman says:

    It’s still March?

  75. KirklesWorth says:

    Simple…who is going to defeat Hillary?

  76. KirklesWorth says:

    Did you really miss the point, or are you being funny?

  77. Spiny Norman says:

    You guys will, of course.

    You claimed you didn’t need us, so why are you still on the attack?

  78. Occam's Stubble says:

    I was a full grown adult during that time and I live in Dallas. I saw the whole thing unfold on my TV. Clinton was a buffoon and Janet Reno well, I don’t know what the heck she was but those people were crazy insane and conservatives would do well to not throw in with such people.

  79. KirklesWorth says:

    “You guys”? “I claimed”? it’s “you guys” that bowed out first.

  80. Spiny Norman says:

    on March 4, 2016

    Sounds like he’s open to discussion to me.

    Opened the discussion during the Primaries. The Primaries are over, or have you forgotten?

  81. Spiny Norman says:

    Your lack of reading comprehension has been noted.

  82. KirklesWorth says:

    A lead “conservative” declared he will never vote for Trump – what’s the use in going after the fair-weather-republicans? Why not go after the low-hanging fruit?

  83. KirklesWorth says:

    And your lack of reasoning has as well. We already know the anti-Trump Hillary-enablers want to “punish” everybody for making Trump the republican candidate.

  84. Spiny Norman says:

    The only ones still in “punish” mode are the Trump posse.

  85. KirklesWorth says:

    Obviously you have contempt for the democratic process.

  86. Spiny Norman says:

    The democratic process involves persuading those who might oppose or doubt your position to come over to your side. The Trumpers have NO desire to do so, other than insulting those who did not support Trump in the primaries.

  87. TrojanMan says:

    Little do the Trumpians know that the general election was held in the republican primary and we lost. GWB will be the last republican president.

  88. GhostRider2001 says:

    Trump has said repeatedly that he doesn’t want my vote and I’m happy to honor his wishes. Maybe he should adopt different tactics. Slash and burn may have gotten him the Republican nomination is a very crowded field where the cross-over Dems and news media helped pushed him over the top, but that strategy will result in defeat for the general election. And that is exactly what the crossover Dems and news media were hoping for.

  89. TrojanMan says:

    Krinkles needs new material from Herr Trump.

  90. Occam's Stubble says:

    Do you think Democrats will win all future contests or that this is the end of the GOP?

  91. TrojanMan says:

    “Do you think Democrats will win all future contests or that this is the end of the GOP?”

    Not OR its both

  92. Spiny Norman says:

    A “leading” establishment Republican pundit. His opinion meant little to me in March, and even less now.

  93. Occam's Stubble says:

    That doesn’t absolve Trump from his responsibilities.

  94. Spiny Norman says:

    He’s the political equivalent of a “groupie”.

  95. KirklesWorth says:

    And he’s arrived – not to add anything, just to go after me. What was your plan to defeat Hillary again, TrojanMan?

  96. Stephen says:

    I had graduated from Baylor 4 years earlier and frequently went fishing on a pond just past Mt. Carmel, so yeah I was familiar too.

    Certainly those people had an eschatological understanding which I don’t necessarily subscribe to, but then again I don’t put that much stock in John’s Revelation in the first place.

  97. Occam's Stubble says:

    A party rarely gets more than eight years with the presidency and even more rare is more than twelve years. If there’s an alternative in 2020 to the Democrats, I think that alternative has a real chance. I hope it’s a constitutionalist party.

  98. KirklesWorth says:

    Who is insulting whom? You must not have been on Moonbattery that long. Is this the kind of “persuasion” you are looking for?

  99. KirklesWorth says:

    How convenient…concede the election to Hillary and blame Trump for it. Brilliant! May Hillary’s rule be everything you hoped it would be.

  100. Occam's Stubble says:

    Groupies sit in thrall of their idol. Hannity’s job is to feed Trump talking points.

  101. KirklesWorth says:

    Assuming Hillary hasn’t flooded the country with illegal democrats and allowed felons to vote.

  102. KirklesWorth says:

    Funny, I don’t watch Hannity. You must be over-generalizing like the ways liberals do.

  103. TrojanMan says:

    My outlook is significantly more grim. The culture war was lost and we are in the grips of the gimmie generation. I do not see a constitutionalist becoming president. We either continue to slide into tyranny or rebel whether by secession or civil war.

  104. KirklesWorth says:

    So better to let Hillary be president to accelerate the process. Got it.

  105. Spiny Norman says:

    This is not an insult?

    May Hillary’s rule be everything you hoped it would be.

    No one here supports Hillary in any way, and sure as hell not “hoping” for her “rule”.

    This seems to be all you have for “persuasion”. “Trump or Else”.

    How about a genuinely persuasive argument for why Donald Trump should be President. Just “he’s not that other fiend” didn’t work for McCain or for Romney.

  106. TrojanMan says:

    “How about a genuinely persuasive argument” Not possible with your garden variety Trumpian

  107. KirklesWorth says:

    See? You don’t want to be “persuaded” at all. The chart speaks for itself. Why are you so mean about my good wishes of “May Hillary’s rule be everything you hoped it would be”…isn’t that what you are trying to accomplish?

  108. Spiny Norman says:

    “Scorched earth” worked for them in the primaries, so they see no reason to change tactics.

  109. KirklesWorth says:

    One of the major “I don’t care” but “Trump should lose” players. And yet he gets mad when I wish him well with Hillary too…?

  110. Spiny Norman says:

    Did I say I didn’t want to be persuaded? I asked for you to at least try to make an actual case for your candidate, and instead, you assert I don’t want one.

  111. TrojanMan says:

    Yeah i am seething with rage…. NEVERTRUMP MAD…. SMASH!!!!

    I have never said “Trump should lose”… liar. Trump WILL lose. I have said i am not voting Trump but do so if you must.

  112. KirklesWorth says:

    Well, as long as you high-and-mighty “conservative” idealists ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater because Trump doesn’t pass the “conservative purity test”. So what is your plan to defeat Hillary?

  113. Spiny Norman says:

    You continue to ascribe to me things I have never said. Why do you do this? Do you have no argument at all?

  114. KirklesWorth says:

    Well, at least you don’t deny it. After all, you gave Dave Blount a suggestion for this anti-Trump article and belittle Trump supporters – I’m sure I could make the case from previous discussions if you want to try and bluff me more.

  115. TrojanMan says:

    Mr Norman, your efforts are valiant but this particular AlwaysTrumper is just a troll. Try as you migjht to have a civil conversation but he will always fall back to “hillary-enabler”. If you back him into a corner he will come out with “Who are you supporting” or something similar. Its best to just ignore this one. He will come back with “you have nothing…blah blah blah”

  116. KirklesWorth says:

    I think I posted a chart. It is the anti-Trump Hillary-enablers who have nothing. Do you have a plan to defeat Hillary, or are you just blowing smoke?

  117. Spiny Norman says:

    Would you be just as adamant with your “get in line” demands if an establishment “golden boy” like Jeb Bush had won the nomination? How would you plan on defeating Hillary in that scenario?

  118. TrojanMan says:

    Go for it…. I have never said “Do not vote Trump”. I have always said vote Trump if you must but i am not.

  119. KirklesWorth says:

    How can you lie like that? I posted a chart of over 40 comparisons between Trump and Hillary – you’ve posted ZILCH. But at least you admitted that Trump was right in not going after your non-existent vote possibility.

  120. KirklesWorth says:

    Assuming facts not in evidence. I’d call that a lie, but I’ll be nice.

  121. TrojanMan says:

    “Do you have a plan to defeat Hillary, or are you just blowing smoke?” See when you back him into a corner thats his standard Herr Trump approved reply.

  122. KirklesWorth says:

    Says the man who has nothing.

  123. TrojanMan says:

    “Says the man who has nothing.” Another Herr Trump approved reply.

  124. KirklesWorth says:

    Not only are you not voting for Trump, you are actively campaigning against his election. How would you summarize that in 4 words? Anti-Trump Hillary-enabler?

  125. KirklesWorth says:

    Says the man who conveniently overlooks a chart of over 40 comparisons between Hillary and Trump. What is your plan to defeat Hillary? Should I post more charts?

  126. TrojanMan says:

    “just to go after me” Right from the liberal playbook. Accuse others of what you yourself engage in.

    You have a short memory. I have answered this question many times. Go digging Troll

  127. Spiny Norman says:

    When has he “campaigned” against Trump’s election? He’s stated in this very thread, more than once, “vote for Trump if you must”. That he chooses not to vote for him is not “actively campaigning”.

  128. KirklesWorth says:

    You’ve got nothing. Anti-Hillary plan? Nothing. Candidate? Nothing. You “don’t even care” except to attack Trump and supporters for Hillary’s benefit. That anti-Trump Hillary-enabling crusade is what you have.

  129. TrojanMan says:

    You watch Rachel Madcow and the other MSNBC commies dont you… its ok… do not deny it…. acceptance will start the healing process

  130. Spiny Norman says:

    Asking a question about a hypothetical scenario is not “assuming facts not in evidence”. I DO NOT presume you would do so, in fact, I rather doubt it, but I was trying to see if you are a “he’s our nominee and you need to support him, because…”.

    I made no “statement” of any kind. Asking a question is not a “lie”.

  131. KirklesWorth says:

    You don’t consider suggesting anti-Trump stories and attacking Trump supporters as campaigning against Trump? If that doesn’t speak for itself, I can pull quotes from previous conversations to clear things up.

  132. KirklesWorth says:

    And I didn’t say it was a lie – but you loaded the question which is why I said “assuming facts not in evidence”.

  133. Spiny Norman says:

    Not a “loaded question” at all, just a proposed hypothetical scenario.

    “I’d call that a lie” is not saying it’s a lie???

  134. KirklesWorth says:

    Another unsubstantiated lie. When you have no plan to defeat Hillary and embrace the coming “inevitability”, I guess there’s nothing to lose at this stage.

  135. TrojanMan says:

    I have been wanting to use this one for a while 🙂

  136. KirklesWorth says:

    Fine…if you are so concern that I came close to calling it a lie, I retract it and will edit the posting to just “assuming facts not in evidence”. I’ve addressed your concern – what is your plan to defeat Hillary?

  137. GhostRider2001 says:

    Trump just can’t get out of his own way. The Dems are loving it, and it is all so avoidable. He is slowly self-destructing as many knew he would. Some days it seems like Trump is the head of the #NeverTrump movement, and his “finish second” strategy is working to perfection. Even some inside his campaign are questioning his commitment and desire to be President. Unfortunately, the problem is the candidate.

  138. KirklesWorth says:

    So, time to give it to Hillary then?

  139. KirklesWorth says:

    Oh yes…back to the “I’ve got nothing, so I’ll post a graphic” portion of the debate. You win by defaul! What a clever move!

  140. Spiny Norman says:

    to just “assuming facts not in evidence”assuming facts not in evidence

    I still have not “assumed” anything. If the rusted-on DC establishment had gotten their next Bush the nomination, I’d ask his supporters the same thing: why should I vote for him? “Get in line” has been the party mantra for years, and has been the biggest reason why are in the fix we’re in. You have done little to “address my concerns” other than posting a “chart” from the Democrat mouthpiece Post. There are a lot of “Unclear” entries there, and many of the “definitive” positions are not all that clear. Trump has backed off clarified many of his earlier statements that chart seems to be based on. Oh, there are plenty of reasons there to never consider Hillary, though.

  141. KirklesWorth says:

    Oh yes, when you don’t buy in to the anti-Trump Hillary enabling “conservatives” here, you’re a “troll” – especially when they can’t debate their way out of a wet paper bag.

  142. KirklesWorth says:

    What is your plan to defeat Hillary? Do you have one?

    And insulting the source of information is not refuting it.

  143. TrojanMan says:


  144. Spiny Norman says:

    Is that the sum total of your argument?

  145. KirklesWorth says:

    Nope. Do you have a plan to defeat Hillary?

  146. Spiny Norman says:

    You say “nope” and then do it again.

  147. KirklesWorth says:

    You asked me “Is that the sum total of your argument?” and I said “nope”. What’s so hard to understand? I asked you “Do you have a plan to defeat Hillary?” a long time ago and you haven’t answered it yet.

  148. miforest says:

    clearly you don’t remember carter.

  149. Spiny Norman says:

    I am an unpersuaded voter, it is not my job to create an alternative. It is the candidate’s and his supporters’ “job” to attempt to persuade me to vote for him.

    Demanding I propose an alternative is not “persuading”.

  150. KirklesWorth says:

    So when I ask “Do you have a plan to defeat Hillary?” Your answer is “no”. Correct?

  151. TrojanMan says:

    “I am an unpersuaded voter” you wont be for long after trying to talk to a Trumpian. They make it a point to alienate as many as possible.

  152. KirklesWorth says:


  153. KirklesWorth says:

    Pot, kettle. What offends your delicate sensibilities? Being called an anti-Trump Hillary enabler? I know half of that you are proud of – and I am suspicious of the second half as well.

  154. TrojanMan says:

    “Being called an anti-Trump Hillary enabler? I know half of that you are proud of” Proof in point. it goes out of its way to insult you.

  155. KirklesWorth says:

    Aren’t you both anti-Trump? You certainly don’t seem to be championing anybody so far that I’ve seen. When you hurt Trump while not helping another candidate, who does that enable to win the presidency?

  156. TrojanMan says:

    “When you hurt Trump while not helping another candidate” Again your memory is terrible. Neither Trump nor Hillary are going to get my vote, nor Johnson, nor Gill. If you were a Hillary supporter spouting anti-trump stuff on here i would argue against the merits of a Hillary presidency. One thing we will agree on is we both do not want Hillary to be president. You personally have turned me even more against Trump. You do Trump no favors by constantly and consistently calling people who do not want to vote Trump “Hillary Enablers”. If you want to go back to our first encounter i attempted to have a civil debate but you decided to insult and demean. I am more than happy to have civil debates with those i do not agree with but you cannot, therefore i will no longer try to have a civil debate with you.

    “So whats your plan to defeat hillary” Nothing she has already won. Vote for whom you wish.

    You are a troll and i will troll your trolling.

    Good Day

  157. KirklesWorth says:

    More faux indignation. You are proud to be anti-Trump. But it doesn’t stop there – you have to hurt Trump as well, thus enabling Hillary. Where’s the ambiguity?

    If you have such a thin skin, then I will take your delicate sensibilities into account when I respond to your anti-Trump rhetoric.

  158. TrojanMan says:

    I am starting to wonder if you are a hillary supporter trying to just piss off people so they will not vote Trump. I must say it is an excellent strategy, one that is working quite well. Trump himself seems to be one of those people who is just trying to piss people off so they will not vote for him.

  159. miforest says:

    thank god he’s not a slick lying sold out “statesman” .
    he will be a great president.
    he favors :
    border controls – ending the heroin crisis and illegal immigrant
    crimes and welfare cost. providing entry level jobs
    lower taxes ; -business and personal
    scrapping nafta and TPP – ending the hollowing out of middle
    class jobs for all of American industry.
    Peace with Russia – What has putin ever done to US? nuclear
    winter anyone?
    supports the second amendment – natch
    making japan, Europe , and south Korea pay their share
    of NATO costs. currently they don’t
    conservative judicial appointments- natch
    win fight with issis instead of dragging it out.

  160. KirklesWorth says:

    Nope…just trying to get irrational anti-Trumpers to do what’s best to defeat Hillary even if we have to settle for a 50% conservative like Trump.

  161. FrozenPatriot says:

    You’re correct; Reagan was no conservative. He was a populist like trump, only more eloquent. Our last conservative president was Calvin Coolidge…

  162. FrozenPatriot says:

    It does solve one problem: it increases Americans’ dislike and distrust of government, especially big government, and more specifically Progressives of any stripe, Trump included.

  163. Grumpy Cat says:

    Who absolved you of the responsibility to pull your head out of your ass?

  164. miforest says:

    Trump will be a great president.
    conservative mistrust the media until the media says something bad about trump, then they buy it without question.

    trump favors :

    border controls – ending the heroin crisis and illegal immigrant

    crimes and welfare cost. providing entry level jobs

    lower taxes ; -business and personal

    scrapping nafta and TPP – ending the hollowing out of middle

    class jobs for all of American industry.

    Peace with Russia – What has putin ever done to US? nuclear

    winter anyone?

    supports the second amendment – natch

    making japan, Europe , and south Korea pay their share

    of NATO costs. currently they don’t

    conservative judicial appointments- natch

    win fight with issis instead of dragging it out.

  165. miforest says:

    jeb bush was a senseless fool,
    ted cruze is a double-talking slick unprincipled lawyer, thak god he is gone from politics . he will probably lose in texas and hopefully go back to Canada.

  166. KirklesWorth says:

    That’s approaching a century with nary a conservative candidate. Maybe it’s because they are too likeable…

  167. KirklesWorth says:

    Maybe so, but Hillary won’t care how much she is disliked. Nor will she care when she runs roughshod over the country.

  168. TrojanMan says:

    “jeb bush was a senseless fool, ” Very true statement.

    “he will probably lose in texas” Nope. Cornyn is the RINO that will be replaced. Cruz will remain.

  169. KirklesWorth says:

    I think you must have delusions of grandeur or something. There is no requirements about “persuading” in either definition. People can be “persuaded” against just as much as they can be “persuaded” for something/somebody. The hard part is making a decisions without necessarily being persuaded.

    can·di·date ˈkandiˌdāt,ˈkandidət noun: a person who applies for a job or is nominated for election.

    vot·erˈvōdər/ noun: a person who votes or has the right to vote at an election.

  170. FrozenPatriot says:

    Funny, I thought voting for a multiple-bankrupt, morally-bankrupt, serially philandering, wife-dumping, casino boss for the same office as the likes of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson was a waste of a vote…

  171. KirklesWorth says:

    And a criminal felon is better? Involved in, or negligent of, killing U.S. citizens?

  172. FrozenPatriot says:

    It’s no coincidence that we’ve also been subjected to a century of the progressives’ long march through the institutions and intentionally dumbed down Americans who believe the government can fix their problems and give them whatever we want. They’ve played the long game while Republitards squak that “this is the most important election EVER!!!1! And we MUST compromise our values JUST THIS ONCE!!” …every four years. Now the progressives control both parties.

  173. Occam's Stubble says:

    There’s that Trumpkin unifying spirit we’ve come to know and love.

  174. KirklesWorth says:

    And how will this improve under Hillary?

  175. KirklesWorth says:

    Because anti-Trump Hillary-enablers are such a warm and welcoming bunch (psycho-troll 762×51 comes to mind).

  176. FrozenPatriot says:

    You keep missing the point: it hasn’t improved under either party, mostly because people believe they’re “under” the government. Get yourself out of the slave mentality, and everything I’ve said will make sense.

  177. KirklesWorth says:

    What the devil are you talking about? The exact point is none of your high-and-mighty ideals is going to mean squat under Hillary. I don’t see a signup sheet for a revolution right now, so how about we stick to the real world. We can talk about anarchy after the election.

  178. FrozenPatriot says:

    They say 2020 is hindsight, or something along those lines… 🙂

  179. FrozenPatriot says:

    Yes sir. Might as well get the festivities started while we’re still young.

  180. KirklesWorth says:

    What’s good for the republican goose is good for the conservative ganders.

  181. KirklesWorth says:

    So no need to attack Trump since it’s a foregone conclusion, right?

  182. FrozenPatriot says:

    The only one who can give up the election to Hitlery is Trump. If this was secretly his plan, I don’t know what he’d be doing different than what he’s doing now. What’s Trump’s plan to beat Hitlery? Unite the party? Bwhahahahahahaaahhaha

  183. FrozenPatriot says:

    I’m not surprised you haven’t ever seen the sign up sheet. It starts:

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  184. KirklesWorth says:

    Yeah, not really an answer – just a conspiracy theory which ends up with the same results. So your answer to “So, time to give it up to Hillary then?” is “yes”?

  185. KirklesWorth says:

    You call the Declaration of Independence a revolution sign up sheet? Ridiculous. What an insult. And which president will uphold the constitution better – Hillary or Trump?

  186. Occam's Stubble says:

    Those you call Hillary-enablers are the very ones with whom Trump was supposed to reconcile. Since he so spectacularly failed to even try to do that, it is he who bears responsibility for their existence.

  187. KirklesWorth says:

    Oh yes, it’s back to Trump’s fault. Who determined this required reconciliation, and who do we vote for if Trump is so inconsiderate?

  188. GhostRider2001 says:

    Yeah, he’s just a not-so-slick lying crony capitalist who is in need of professional help. I’m not even sure he knows what he supports – it varies from day to day depending on mood and any number of other factors. but he has the same amazing quality that Obama had — his supporters believe all kinds of amazing things about him that aren’t even remotely true. he is a gifted con artist.

  189. KirklesWorth says:

    As opposed to Hillary where you always know where she stands – and it’s chilling.

  190. Occam's Stubble says:

    This is what all primary winners do. You can vote for whomever you want but since Trump did not have the common sense or decency to reconcile with those he defeated and especially since he continued to kick them while they were down, his supporters should not expect assistance from those their candidate alienated.

  191. KirklesWorth says:

    Hmm…sounds harsh. This is what I found:

    May 8, 2016: I have to stay true to my principles also. And I’m a conservative, but don’t forget, this is called the ‘Republican Party,’ not the ‘conservative party.’

    Which PJ Media spun into their headline “Trump: I Have Principles, Don’t Need Conservatives to Support Me” – not exactly quote-for-quote. Sounds like the conservatives are getting hostile already – why should Trump appease this kind of mischaracterization? The other stories I found are variations on this same theme. Is this the “kicking them while they were down” you were referring to, or was there something else I missed?

  192. Spiny Norman says:

    The delusions of grandeur are yours alone. You’re the one making haughty demands of me. All I was asking for was a persuasive argument in support of your favored candidate. You linked to a chart by a heavily pro-Democrat newspaper, one I do not trust, and you seem to believe that is all I should need.

    Pedantic dictionary quotes aren’t helping you, either. Yes, I have the right to vote in this country, but I have the right to vote for who I choose to vote for, or not vote, for that matter. As a conservative in California, my vote is utterly meaningless, anyway.

  193. Spiny Norman says:

    The Republican Party might go the way of the Whigs, from whose remnants it was created.

  194. KirklesWorth says:

    Oh, do tell…what “haughty demands” am I making on you? I asked you “Do you have a plan to defeat Hillary?” and you won’t (or can’t) answer the question other than this ridiculous dodge:

    I am an unpersuaded voter, it is not my job to create an alternative. It is the candidate’s and his supporters’ “job” to attempt to persuade me to vote for him.

    I provide you with a 40+ point list showing Hillary and Trump comparisons, but you feel entitled to be “persuaded”. Well golly gee whiz, that’s a convenient way to avoid the question.

    Claiming the chart was done by a “pro-Democrat newspaper” is not a refutation (Argumentum ad hominem). But even if it were, then it would lean in Hillary’s favor, right? Why don’t you use some “pedantic dictionary quotes” or something else to illustrate what the conservative plan should be…?

    You won’t vote for Trump, your vote is meaningless, but you go out of your way to attack Trump. Why? To what end? Shall I speculate?

  195. KirklesWorth says:

    Maybe if the so-called “conservatives” had their way. But then again if Hillary wins, you will be right because Hillary will do her best to exterminate them. Both scenarios end with the same outcome, conservatives and progressives hand-in-hand over the defeat of Trump.

  196. Spiny Norman says:

    Oh, do tell…what “haughty demands” am I making on you? I asked you “Do you have a plan to defeat Hillary?” and you won’t (or can’t) answer the question other than this ridiculous dodge:

    This is a very good example of “haughty”. Again, it is not my job to create an alternative. It is the candidate and his supporters’ “job” to attempt to persuade me to vote for him. You are not doing a very good job of it.

  197. KirklesWorth says:

    What kind of verbal circle-jerk are you playing at? So “it is not your job to create an alternative”, but it is your job to attack the only candidate capable of defeating Hillary – but for no “alternative”? Won’t your unknown non-existent “alternative” default into a Hillary presidency? You are good at telling other people what their “job” is. Who says? What if I told you your “job” was to do everything in your power to prevent a progressive-liberal-socialist criminal felon from becoming president – would you dispute that?

  198. Occam's Stubble says:

    That’s my hope, so we can rebuild a conservative/constitutionalist party. I’m just not sure which assures that outcome, Trump’s victory or defeat.

  199. KirklesWorth says:

    Simple process of elimination really. Hillary presidency = republican extermination.

  200. Occam's Stubble says:

    Of course they were getting hostile. Trump had spent months calling their guy “Lyin’ Ted.” At and after the convention, Trump needed to extend and olive branch. He did not. He is responsible for the continued animosity.

  201. Occam's Stubble says:

    Good. We can then work on that constitutionalist party I’m hoping for.

  202. Spiny Norman says:

    I have not attacked Donald Trump and I do not need to propose an alternative. Why do you insist on this line of argument? Why can’t you claim anything other than “he’s not that other fiend”? Why can’t you make a persuasive argument in his favor? Making arguments against Hillary is easy.

  203. KirklesWorth says:

    While not as severe as other anti-Trump Hillary enablers around here, these hardly sound like compliments of Trump:

    “Scorched earth” worked for them in the primaries, so they see no reason to change tactics.

    “Trump has backed off clarified many of his earlier statements that chart seems to be based on.”

    And then of course, there are the negative comments about Trump supporters:

    The only ones still in “punish” mode are the Trump posse.

    The Trumpers have NO desire to do so, other than insulting those who did not support Trump in the primaries.

    Why is my simple question “Do you have a plan to defeat Hillary?” a “haughty question” yet you insist I have to “persuade you” even after posting a list of over 40 comparison of Trump and Hillary? You insist way more from me than I barely asked of you.

  204. KirklesWorth says:

    But Ted Cruz was a liar. He complimented Trump and was right with him, then turned 180 degrees. Wasn’t inviting Cruz to speak at the convention an “olive branch” that resulted in Cruz being booed for not endorsing Trump?

  205. KirklesWorth says:

    Obviously you can’t be serious. Unless you think that Hillary’s roughshod presidency is going to trigger some sort of civil war, you won’t get your wish. To the contrary – liberties and rights will be squashed. Is that the secret agenda the anti-Trump conservatives are working towards?

  206. FrozenPatriot says:

    It was most certainly a sign up sheet. The 56 men who signed up pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor so that we may all live free, even the sniveling little collectivist partisan brats who take their sacrifice for granted.

    Nothing about is any less true today.

  207. Occam's Stubble says:

    It might have been except Trump did not invite Cruz to speak. Cruz asked to speak and told Trump there would be no endorsement but Trump sent his minions in there to boo anyway.

  208. KirklesWorth says:

    I don’t see a Declaration of Independence signup sheet for a revolution right now, Buy the way, you didn’t answer my question: “And which president will uphold the constitution better – Hillary or Trump?”

  209. KirklesWorth says:

    But of course…when is an “olive branch” not an “olive branch”? When Ted Cruz refuses to take it and endorse the candidate he promised to…you know, Lyin’ Ted?

  210. FrozenPatriot says:

    You don’t have to engage in revolution; either you ascribe to the principles in the DoI, or you don’t. Either you live as a free man, or you pine for a ruler. Either you long for liberty, or you long for a populist authoritarian like Donald Trump or Hitlery.

    As for who between those two would more closely adhere to the Constitution (a separate document if you didn’t know), I haven’t heard the word Constitution uttered by either, which is truly no surprise. I have no doubt that either would cite it when it can be manipulated into increasing their personal or political power, and would categorically ignore it otherwise. The fact that you don’t know which of those two authoritarian collectivists would agree to limit their behavior according to the chains of the constitution speaks volumes…

  211. KirklesWorth says:

    Okay, let me answer it for you since you seem incapable: Trump will uphold the constitution better than Hillary.

  212. FrozenPatriot says:

    Does it hurt your fragile little feewings when people do? Awwwwwww….. 🙁

  213. FrozenPatriot says:

    And her running roughshod is exactly what wakes people up. Understand yet? Worse is better…

  214. KirklesWorth says:

    Yeah…I got the whole “incite a revolution” meme. Sounds like a hoot. Does that explain why you are helping Hillary?

  215. KirklesWorth says:

    I have no idea what you are talking about. But now that you are talking about inciting revolutions, it becomes more clear why you are helping Hillary.

  216. FrozenPatriot says:

    The only people here helping Hitlery are Trump’s supporters through their vile, petulant attitudes and comments. If you’re being paid by Hitlery’s campaign to come here and drive principled voters away from trump, you’re doing a mighty fine job.

  217. Occam's Stubble says:

    No, I just hope it destroys the GOP, a party which feigns conservatism but only nominated one conservative in my lifetime. The Hillary years will be rough but all the better to regroup and organize a better alternative than what the old GOP did.

  218. Occam's Stubble says:

    You still have yet to demonstrate that one was offered. Also, Ted’s promise was to “support” the nominee, not necessarily endorse. Cruz have a good speech and said nothing against Trump.

  219. KirklesWorth says:

    Wow…that was quite a backup. I just caught you red-handed saying:

    FrozenPatriot -> KirklesWorth: And her running roughshod is exactly what wakes people up. Understand yet? Worse is better…

    And now you are calling my integrity into question? You’ve got some nerve! You’re fomenting tensions for your own ends and have the audacity to claim that Trump supporters are helping Hillary when it’s you? Unbelievable!

  220. FrozenPatriot says:

    I’m talking about waking people like you up to the dangers of big government so they stop supporting purveyors of big government like Trillary and Hrump. That’s why I bring up Trump’s policies and (lack of) principles.

  221. FrozenPatriot says:

    Nice deflection. That’s what Hitlery’s hero Alinsky teaches. If you were working for Hitlery, how exactly would your actions differ?

  222. KirklesWorth says:

    What the devil are you talking about? Am I misquoting you? Is it out of context? Are you claiming it was sarcasm?

  223. KirklesWorth says:

    That’s okay…you’ve given me all I need. “Trump’s policies and (lack of) principles” have nothing to do with your agenda.

  224. KirklesWorth says:

    Well, I can’t fault you for your loyalty. I’d like your conservative republican party too…but I won’t let it be destroyed in the “hopes” it can be rebuilt. Especially with the influx of illegals who want to convert the country into a duplicate of the hell-holes they escaped from.

  225. Eddie_Valiant says:

    Yes, Trump, should he somehow make it to the White House, will be impeached and removed from office. At least we have a shot at gaining a lightweight conservative in Mike Pence.

  226. KirklesWorth says:

    #1 Hillary out, #2 deal with Trump…I like it.

  227. FrozenPatriot says:

    No, I’m saying your abrasiveness and petulance is exactly what Hitlery operatives would employ while feigning support for Trump in a public forum in order to diminish his support.

  228. FrozenPatriot says:

    You’re starting to understand! Principles > politics…

  229. Eddie_Valiant says:

    No one – she is going to win, by at least 10%.

    Game over.

  230. Feet2Fire says:

    Maybe it would be under “normal” circumstances, but not when the choice is between HILLARY and TRUMP. No matter what Trump’s deficits may be, they are not as bad as HILLARY’s and BILL’s, individually and collectively.

    Vote TRUMP and spare America the scourge of another “Clinton Dynasty reign.”
    A vote for anybody other than Trump is a vote for Hillary.

    Save your disgust for NEXT TIME. LOL.

  231. Feet2Fire says:

    Good point, not to mention it’s just plain rude. 🙂

    The choice is between HILLARY and TRUMP; and insulting voters and discouraging them from voting for TRUMP is just helping HILLARY. “Don’t go there.”

  232. FLguy71 says:

    Gotta love how Hannity, not a registered Republican, is always telling Republicans what to do. Just more hypocrisy.

  233. FrozenPatriot says:

    I’ve heard that every election cycle since I could vote. I’m done voting for evil, even if it is a lesser evil.

    SMOD 2016!

  234. FLguy71 says:

    You ask why Trump should try to appease them? Because he wants to win, maybe? Duh.

  235. Feet2Fire says:

    I’ve heard that every election cycle since I could vote. I’m done voting for evil, even if it is a lesser evil.

    –Then you are cutting off your (and our) nose to spite your face.

    There is ONE choice: Either HILLARY *or* TRUMP.

    Choose Hillary and get the Big -0- on steroids; stay home or vote against Trump and you’re choosing Hillary.


    “SMOD”?? Am not familiar with vulgar abbreviations and don’t have time for them.

  236. FrozenPatriot says:

    Who is “our”? Republicans? Count me out. They’re just the other wing of the big-government uniparty.

    SMOD is a presidential candidate.

  237. Buckshot67 says:

    That is the big question isnt it. His victory will mean a liberal populist in office. His defeat will mean a real conservative will likely rise from the ashes of the next 4 years…people will be weary of what the next 4 are going to long as we hold a majority in Congress that is. If not, its the end of the Conservative movement for decades if not forever. The GOP is dead now-split-defunct.Gone

  238. Jackieabautista1 says:

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  239. KirklesWorth says:

    Give it up Feet2Fire – FrozenPatriot’s agenda is to foment an “uprising” of some sort to get us “back on the conservative track”.

  240. KirklesWorth says:

    Nice try. You’ve already stated your goal, and fomenting hostilities here is part of it.

  241. KirklesWorth says:

    If you say so – no need to bash Trump then. Just sit there and let it happen.

  242. KirklesWorth says:

    With ideological “conservatives” willing to hand over the country to Hillary if they don’t get their way? Fat chance. He’s better off playing to the crowd as he has been doing.

  243. KirklesWorth says:

    Only if you have enough supporters for your principles and the politics don’t squash your liberties and rights.

  244. KirklesWorth says:

    Nice dream. Hillary will allow millions of illegal democrats into the country and allow felons to vote. If Trump becomes president, he will be watched like a hawk. If Hillary becomes president, she will run roughshod over the country and, as you say, make ashes of republicans and it won’t be a mere 4 years before we will recover – it will be decades.

  245. Feet2Fire says:

    Don’t tell me to “give it up.” *I* will decide if and when I want to “give it up.”
    Thank you.

  246. KirklesWorth says:

    I just meant with FrozenPatriot – not over it all. FrozenPatriot isn’t here to debate – he’s here to try to persuade people to vote for Hillary. I wouldn’t be here if I gave up either.

  247. FrozenPatriot says:

    It’s clear that neither you nor your orange god-king have a plan to beat Hitlery (it’s almost like you don’t want to…strange), so it’s prudent to look past the inevitable crowning of our new queen and have a plan to salvage liberty and western civilization.

  248. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    Even with the damage that would cause to the GOP brand, what you outline is probably the best of the likely scenarios.

  249. KirklesWorth says:

    You again question my integrity after what you’ve said? You indicated you wanted Hillary to win to facilitate your “uprising” so spare me your faux indignation over what you are striving to accomplish.

  250. FrozenPatriot says:

    You are correct, there is nobody I want as my ruler except Jesus Christ. And how do I have “faux indignation over what I’m striving to accomplish”? That makes as much sense as your longing for a ruler.

  251. KirklesWorth says:

    Right…now you are using religion as an excuse to elect Hillary Clinton…? I hate to tell you this “Christian”, but we have rulers and the Bible has rulers – this isn’t anarchy. Do we have to start quoting Bible verses too?

    Romans 13:1-5: Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

    There are plenty more at

  252. FrozenPatriot says:

    The Bible also decrees that legit government must also obey the law. In the United States, our government is a Constitutional Republic (you likely thought it was a Democracy), and a president whose only job is to execute the constitutional laws at the federal level. We don’t have a position called “ruler.” Sorry to dash your hopes…

  253. Torcer says:

    Keep in mind that when you ask Trump supporters to back up the use of that pejorative they won’t be able to cite the facts to do it.

    Conversely, there have been plenty of instances where Trump has been shown to be a Liar.

    Donald Trump may be a self-starter, but he’s not self-funded

    Lyin’ Donald: 101 Of Trump’s Greatest Lies

    Trump’s Yuuge Lies via @NRO

    Donald Trump Is Lying About IRS Audits

    Chris Hayes tallies times Trump has called Cruz a liar

    Ben Shapiro: Donald Trump Is A Liar

    Trump’s Big Colorado Lie via @sharethis

  254. Jerry S says:

    Trump is not perfect. Far from it.
    So why vote Trump?
    Two words: Supreme court!

  255. KirklesWorth says:

    What ridiculous word games. rul·er ˈro͞olər/noun: a person exercising government or dominion. Synonyms: leader, sovereign, monarch, potentate, king, queen, emperor, empress, prince, princess; crowned head, head of state, president, premier, governor; overlord, chief, chieftain, lord; dictator, autocrat.

    No need to speculate on what I “think” our government is. The law, the Bible, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, etc. didn’t prevent Barack Obama from doing his socialist agenda, did it? If Obama (or Hillary) invokes martial law, how well will those words stand up to military might?

  256. KirklesWorth says:

    Read my lips…politicians lie.

    Lyin’ Ted? Torcer has posted articles from lefty sites before against Trump, so how about Ted? It looks like the “conservative” sites didn’t want to point out Cruz’s foibles:

    Like Salon:

    How about the Nation?

    Nobody’s really concerned now with Ted since his crash-and-burn.

  257. Torcer says:

    To use your words


    You are in error…you have nothing. Don’t go around making false accusations you have zero proof of.

    Please post EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    Don’t expect others to prove you point for you.

  258. FrozenPatriot says:

    It’s clear which side you’ll be on when such a day comes…

  259. KirklesWorth says:

    Well, that went out with a whimper. It’s clear which side you are on now – and forgive me if I con’t consider it very “Christian-like”.

  260. KirklesWorth says:

    No more games homie! I’ve picked up on your disingenuous “tactics” and we won’t be playing things your way any more. Besides, there is nothing I have to “cite” because these speak for themselves. Go ahead and deny any of these at your peril (numbered for your convenience):

    1. Read my lips…politicians lie.
    2. Torcer has posted articles from lefty sites before against Trump
    3. It looks like the “conservative” sites didn’t want to point out Cruz’s foibles
    4. Nobody’s really concerned now with Ted since his crash-and-burn.

  261. Torcer says:

    So let’s cut to the chase – you cannot prove you point can you?


    You are in error…you have nothing. Don’t go around making false accusations you have zero proof of.

    Please post EXCERPTS and Links from authentic reference sites in your answer.

    Don’t expect others to prove you point for you.

  262. KirklesWorth says:

    You haven’t cited what needs to be proven. First things first.

  263. FrozenPatriot says:

    You’re forgiven for being wrong. “No king but Jesus” is very Christian-like. The Israelites were punished for wanting a king. Perhaps you should include that in your desire for the orange god-king…

  264. Russell Dyess says:

    Stab in the back!!! I would happily put the blade in your gut face to face.

  265. Russell Dyess says:

    G.O.P. D.O.A.

  266. KirklesWorth says:

    But your deception isn’t very “Christian-like”. Neither are some of the other things on the sin list like the ones listed here:

    I’m not inclined to research the list and point it all out, but I will if you keep up this charade.

  267. KirklesWorth says:

    Are you preparing to welcome Hillary?

  268. Russell Dyess says:

    Dont be surprised if it does. A large majority of Texans want out regardless who wins. We are tired of not be represented, and having Democrats and Republicans alike roll their eyes at us. And there is every possibility Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Louisiana come with us.

  269. KirklesWorth says:

    If you say so. I wouldn’t necessarily blame you, but I’m not going to stand idly by and let Hillary be elected without resistance.

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  272. Russell Dyess says:

    12 million democrats gaming the system made Trump the republican nominee.

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