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Jun 22 2016

Support Grows for Stopping Trump in Cleveland

We can see that the bridge is out just up ahead. Fortunately, there is still time to get off the train at the last stop before it plunges into a deep rocky gorge. The movement to dump Trump in Cleveland is building momentum.

Already there are reportedly several hundred delegates prepared to rebel at the convention. That number will grow as his poll numbers continue to collapse. Anti-Trump delegates have been raising money for staff and a legal defense fund, in contrast to Trump, who has conspicuously not been raising money.

If only because Trump has been unwilling to perform even the most basic tasks of a presidential candidate, the growing delegate revolt should come as no surprise.

Brian Fraley's open letter to the delegates makes persuasive points:

Trump has the highest unfavorable rating of any candidate for a major party on record — 70% in the latest Washington Post-ABC poll. His unfavorables with Hispanics is 88%, with African Americans 87%. …

Trump continually says he does not need you…does not need us…does not need the Republican Party. Rather than reach out and attempt to unify the party, he continues to push a divisive and dismissive tone, which damages the brand and hurts down-ticket candidates as they seek independent voters.

As of last month, Trump had only $2.4 million in the bank, raised a mere $14 million and refused to build a small-dollar or large donor operation. Instead, he floated his primary efforts through $44 million in personal loans. In comparison, in 2012 Mitt Romney had already raised nearly $100 million by that time.

Trump’s cult of personality and earned media advantages got him this far, but have reached their limit. He now refuses to build a data operation that would help him and our fellow Republican candidates in November. In 2016, we Republicans were in a position to bridge the digital divide between the parties, but Trump refuses to invest in the nuts and bolts of data collection and analysis. As you know, data is the key to fundraising and get-out-the-vote efforts.

Still, it’s not just a data team Trump eschews. His campaign has less than three dozen paid staff working on its behalf across the country. That’s not a typo. He’s ‘estimated’ he has ‘about 30’ employees. Hillary Clinton has more than 730.

Trump obviously is not serious about winning in November. Republicans had better get serious about dumping him in July.

That Trump’s people have tried to intimidate delegates is reason enough for them to vote against him. Trump consigliere Roger Stone actually threatened to publicize the hotel room numbers of recalcitrant delegates so that Trump’s notoriously thuggish supporters could confront them (and possibly their families) physically.

If you still need arguments, refer to the Courageous Conservatives PAC petition to Free the RNC Delegates:

Whereas: Donald J. Trump has, since becoming prospective Republican nominee, continued his ad hominem attacks against other Republicans and;

Whereas: Evidence released since the Indiana primary shows that Donald J. Trump has allegedly engaged in a pattern of fraud and deception with regard to Trump “University” and the racketeering case where he is a defendant and;

Whereas: Donald J. Trump continues refusing to release his income tax returns, college and post-graduate transcripts or his New York Times interview tape where he contradicts previously held positions and;

Whereas: Donald J. Trump has accelerated the use of ethnic stereotypes in a pathetic attempt to appeal to bigotry and;

Whereas: Donald J. Trump previously endorsed Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale over Ronald Reagan and called for George W. Bush’s impeachment and;

Whereas: Donald J. Trump is not a conservative and;

Whereas: Donald J. Trump has not only failed to unite the Republican Party but in fact is driving out many of our longest supporters and;

Whereas: Donald J. Trump is demonstrating mental instability and;

Whereas: Donald J. Trump’s … inability to transform from reality TV star to party leader is creating a crisis of confidence within the Republican Party and;

Whereas: The 2472 elected delegates to the July Republican National Convention in Cleveland are entrusted by party voters to look out for the best interests of all Republican voters and candidates and;

Whereas: Donald J. Trump’s continued actions, instability, incoherence and refusal to lead the party is having a negative effect on Republican candidates everywhere;

We DEMAND: That all 2472 delegates be released from their pledges to support candidates on the First and in some cases subsequent ballots and that all delegates be allowed to exercise their responsibility to pick the strongest Republican candidate based on their conscience and be freed from any obligation to support a candidate they do not believe represents the values and principles of the Republican Party.

The Speaker of the House has already given delegates his blessing to vote their conscience — i.e., vote for anyone but Trump:

To attack Trump is not to support his fellow reptilian New York liberal Shrillary. It is to encourage those in a position to do so to put an end to Trump’s disastrous candidacy before it costs us the future. The 2016 presidential election has already been lost. The goal now is to rescue down-ballot candidates so that Shrillary has some resistance, and see to it that the GOP has a chance in 2020. If you think the situation is bad now, imagine what it will be like if Washington becomes a single-party Democrat town like Chicago.

On tips from Torcer.

56 Responses to “Support Grows for Stopping Trump in Cleveland”

  1. CTsOpinion says:


  2. jan_poster says:

    Reality check:

    No vote=a vote for Hillary
    Vote for 3rd party candidate=a vote for Hillary
    Vote for Hillary=a vote for Hillary

    I guess we know who Dave is voting for…

  3. physicsnut says:

    this is the reason i have DOWNGRADED this website

  4. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    As much as I’d like to see another nominee besides Donald Trump, unless it becomes clear that Trump broke the primary rules as outlined by the GOP, I cannot see any grounds for this right now. Next time, don’t let people from outside the GOP vote in the primaries, or possibly consider other changes. But if the GOP makes an end run around their primary voters, they take another giant step in the devolution toward being no better than Democrats.

    On the other hand, if it’s all going to hell anyway…

  5. Carmenzoid says:

    This site is truly disappointing me. Actively usurping the will of the voters is not a solution. I’d rather have Cruz, too, but he failed to do well.

  6. jack burns says:

    Go right ahead. Your savior, whoever it might be, will start out >10 million votes in the hole and the other GOPe contestants will likewise be put on an iceberg.

  7. calmly_observing says:

    It’s the “principle” not the “results” that matter to the #neverTrump effort. The effort to keep the conservative voice strong in the GOP is noble. But their methods will probably result in conservative politics being set back further in this country than ever before. There is a reason why the most conservative candidates couldn’t get more votes than Trump. The GOP and the Washington elected class along with their followers (think tanks, pundits, everyone who makes a big living off of politics) have done this to themselves.

    I just hope this isn’t the last gasp for the conservative movement. But it is surely looking like it.

  8. Troy McClure says:

    “The goal now is to rescue down-ballot candidates so that Shrillary has some resistance, and see to it that the GOP has a chance in 2020.”

    You mean show resistance like the current GOP controlled house and senate have? Maybe it would be better to have Trump in there because the current house and senate probably WILL show resistance to anything he does.

  9. calmly_observing says:

    There is a certain amount of sore loser emotion here. But let’s be honest, you have at the very least 2 other sites that are WAY, WAY over the top in their pro-Trump posts. (Breitbart and Gateway Pundit for starters)

    I like having places to come for balance. I quit visiting Breitbart, but I may return after the election. But instead of having one balanced site, I at least have choices to visit for each side.

  10. TrojanMan says:

    A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. As if it mattered who was nominated for the GOP anyway. Hillary has already purchased this election. With the losing of the culture war and the GOP turning hard left we need another viable conservative party because the GOP will never again win a presidency. I hope i am wrong but i do not think so.

  11. jack burns says:

    I think that conservatism is being used as a red herring. They are interested in propping up the cheap labor cabal and could care less about anyone not in their club.

  12. calmly_observing says:

    That’s a fair observation, whether true or not. And it explains why so many who identify as conservative voted for Trump in the primary. And why polls show likely GOP voters are okay with him.

  13. WMD says:

    I have my doubts about the future of conservatism myself.
    Take this for whatever it’s worth but a friend of mine is a county republican chairman. (For obvious reasons I can’t reveal who he is)
    And this isn’t anecdotal, he has been a friend of mine for over 15 years.
    At any rate, months ago when the primary season was in full swing he told me that he sees all the republican registrations in his county. And he said that there were many people who had switched their registrations from independent and democrat to republican, presumably so they could vote for Trump.
    Very recently he told me that many of the registrants were now switching back to democrat or independent. Not all, but many.
    You can draw your own conclusions, but I believe that Trump may not have as much “real” support as many think.
    Full disclosure: I was a Cruz supporter but I am not a never Trump person either. I’ve tried to just calmly observe.

  14. calmly_observing says:

    That isn’t hard to imagine. But my question would be whether this county party chairman is speaking in general terms (by full counts of registrations) or by actual voter (individual) counts. I’m sure during many primaries there is flux for registrations. And the voting rules may be at play (e.g. where/how independents can vote). But overall I would expect there is flux for a lot of reasons. Dems who have stayed in the middle and feel grossly underserved and perhaps cannot stand either Hillary or Bernie. Switching back won’t affect their general election vote like it did the primary vote.

    One thing is more clear to me. Creating an even smaller minority of conservatives that are getting attention ONLY because of their effort to either separate from the party or to sabotage the convention his a massive risk with almost no upside. Besides “principles.”

  15. Troll Magnet says:

    Who then, Dave? You think your boy Ted would get the nomination?

  16. Tom says:

    I swear, this columnist has been reading moonbattery, because he – originally a Cruz supporter – absolutely NAILS the increasingly-shrill attacks on Trump by “conservatives” as being misguided.

    From the article:

    “Unlike the millions of Americans who have been aboard the Trump train since it left the station, I was originally a natural supporter of Ted Cruz. His was the consistent, unapologetic conservatism that was my first wish as an antidote to the Obama years…
    The simple fact is that I did not have enough company. Nor did followers of Marco Rubio, John Kasich or any of the other rivals left in the dust…
    So a simple fact yields a simple question: What do I do now? The answer could not be more clear.>>> I will work tirelessly to prevent the presidency of Hillary Clinton…<<>> But an odd mania grips some on the right, taking the form of fantasy conjectures about some imagined irreparable damage Trump will do to the Republican party, or to conservatism itself…>What utter nonsense>>”

    This fellow seems to capture quite accurately the rationales and motivations of the Anti-Trump forces from within his own party…

    Any response from the NoNeverTrump folks?

  17. Artfuldgr says:

    Go Hillary!!!! (no one else to vote for)

    Trump has the highest unfavorable rating of any candidate for a major party on record — 70%

    Donald J. Trump broke the record with the most votes won by any Republican Primary Candidate in party history

    The poll is pretty dishonest in its construction and reporting.


    Analysts at the organization reviewed all 1,099 stories on the
    ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscasts that addressed the presidential
    campaign between Jan. 1 through June 7, including weekends. This was an
    enormous amount of content: 2,137 minutes of campaign coverage, or more
    than one-fourth of all evening news airtime during this period.

    Mr. Trump was the subject of nearly half it, or 1,068 minutes. Mrs.
    Clinton warranted 583 minutes, and Sen. Bernard Sanders of Vermont, 366
    minutes of coverage.

    Forty percent (432 minutes) of Mr. Trump’s coverage was negative

    Only 18 percent of Clinton’s coverage (105 minutes) was spent discussing similar controversies

    [they cut the article down to delete the disparity, so you have to go
    to the actual study now to read what you cant read you could have read

    Benghazi attack drew only 77 seconds of evening news airtime from January 1 through June 7

    Clinton’s participation in a racially-charged comedy skit with New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio 51 seconds

    conflict-of-interest scandal surrounding the Clinton Foundation a paltry 44 seconds (and half of that came from Bernie!)

    Clinton’s e-mail server scandal was the most-covered candidate controversy of the primary season 47 minutes of airtime

    The only other Clinton controversy to crack the Top 20 was discussion
    of Bill Clinton’s past adultery and alleged mistreatment of women — a
    topic only covered because it was brought up by Trump.

    Violence at some of Trump’s rallies (31 minutes)

    racially-charged criticism of the judge in the Trump University fraud case (27 minutes)

    history of liberal policy positions and shift to the left on some issues (24 minutes)

    sexist rhetoric and charges of crude behavior with women (22 minutes)

    Hillary Clinton: her big money speeches to Wall Street banks, and her
    refusal to release transcripts of those speeches (7 minutes, 35
    seconds); and her reliance on massive campaign contributions from the
    wealthy (6 minutes, 50 seconds).

  18. Stosh says:

    So we’re offered a choice between a New York liberal, liar, killer, money grubber, gun grabber, felon and a New York liberal, liar, money grubber, crony capitalist, gun grabber…..and we’re supposed to be happy about it….tough to pick the lesser of two evils when both are so bad.

  19. Stosh says:

    Then not voting for Hillary = a vote for Trump, following your illogical premises…

  20. Stephen says:

    I didn’t catch all of Trump’s speech this morning, but what I did catch was outstanding.

    Dave says “to attack Trump is not to support his fellow reptilian New York liberal Shrillary”. As is usually the case when it comes to Trump, Dave is 100% wrong on this. The whole point of the #neverTrump movement is to get Hillary elected. Recall last April and May that big-monied wall street donors were funding both Jeb and Hillary and practically gloating over how happy they’d be with either of their presumptive nominees. Now that only one of the wall street candidates remain, #NeverTrumpers are doing what they can stop Trump with ample assistance from useful idiot Conservatives who are leading the charge to convince Conservatives to stay home (and I don’t mean to imply that Dave is a useful idiot — I doubt this blog has enough reach for him to be useful).

    This is why the “you’re just going to get Hillary elected” argument has been useless against the #neverTrumpers — because getting Hillary elected is exactly their aim.

    That said, it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that the establishment types can pull the rug out from under Trump. I’ll be very disappointed to not be able to vote for a guy who looks to be taking the immigration issue seriously, but the hilarity and carnage and destruction that will fall down upon the Republican Party in such a scenario will be exceedingly entertaining and I will take great solace in that corrupt beast’s demise.

  21. Artfuldgr says:

    GOP Most delegates must vote according to the results of their states
    primary or caucus on the first round of voting at the national

    But if no candidate secures a majority on that first
    ballot, some delegates no longer are bound to their states popular vote
    on subsequent ballots. Those delegates then can vote for whomever they

    Based on current convention rules, drawn up at the last GOP national
    convention in Tampa in 2012, nearly all of the delegates assigned to
    Trump are required to vote for him based on their state’s popular vote
    results. But before a new convention begins, those rules expire, and
    must be updated and approved anew.

    the biggie is Rule 16

    If the Cleveland rules committee re-approves the rule with no revisions,
    Trump’s got nothing to worry about: Those 1,542 delegates bound to vote
    for him will do so, giving him the nomination. But if the Cleveland
    rules committee somehow voted to lift that “binding” obligation—and the
    rest of the convention’s delegates agreed to their changes—Trump’s
    nomination would be thrown into jeopardy.

    Cruz lost to trump by a huge margin, and Trump loses to Hillary, how can Cruz beat hillary if he cant beat Trump?

    the question is this, will the public get nasty and vote for hillary to punish republicans who decided to confound their choices in the primary races? think hard on this, because thats exactly what will happen…

    Right now the power base in washington is about to show the public that the public is ruled over, and not in power any more… and THAT has a big chance of blowing up in their faces for the next 50 years if they exist after showing the public that the public doesnt matter any more…

    ie. it dont matter if you vote hillary, trump, or cruz… they will pick the leader much as the supreme soviet does, and the reaction of the people is not going to be “oh, ok, no problem”

  22. Artfuldgr says:

    except that one isnt that bad… it just appears that way..

    Trump has five decades of acting rational in business dealings, and getting along with people all over the world, including China and Russia. By now you would have heard stories of Trump being a loose cannon in his business dealings if such a thing had happened. We are hearing no stories of that nature. And people don’t suddenly change character at age 70.

    yes or no?

    Trump has never had an alcoholic beverage. He was against the Iraq war. He doesn’t want boots on the ground in Syria. He wants a strong military to discourage war. Trump personally gains nothing from war, but he has a lot to lose, including every building with his name on it.


    Trump has been negotiating with the Chinese for years, with no problems yet. And the Chinese leaders are not children. They got their positions by being great deal-makers, like Trump. They might not want to negotiate against Trump, but they aren’t afraid of his personality type. Trump often tells us that his first bid in any negotiation is super-aggressive. China knows it too. They are not naive. They can tell the difference between a negotiator and a madman.

    yes or no?

    given that bengazi gets 30 seconds over severa weeks, if your not tuned in for that small period of time, you wont hear anything negative… so far, most of what people dont like about trump or think he will do does not comport with his actual history of action, but is mostly fantasy of their predictions a la imagination.

    and its even more interesting that Clintons talking points are exactly playing on those fantasies, and lying… he has 500 companies, less than 10 have had chapter 11… what percentage is that? given that more than 50% of new firms fail in the first 5 years, shouldnt he have more than 250 failures?

    you cant spend 10 years showing how the press manipulate then suddenly ignore that and think its telling the truth when the manipualtion parallels your opinion…

  23. pocketfrog says:

    “…how can Cruz beat hillary if he cant beat Trump?”
    Read before you post. “The 2016 presidential election has already been lost. The goal now is to
    rescue down-ballot candidates so that Shrillary has some resistance…”

  24. pocketfrog says:

    “The whole point of the #neverTrump movement is to get Hillary elected.”
    I guess you haven’t seen the polls, which show Donald collapsing. Not a surprise since the majority of Hispanics, blacks, and women want nothing to do with him. And that’s Donald’s fault and no-one else’s.

    The whole point of the #NeverTrump movement is to help the downticket races. If you paid attention you’d know that.

  25. WMD says:

    I wouldn’t argue with any of that.
    As far as my friend goes, in that same conversation, I asked him who he supported. He wouldn’t tell me because, as the chairman, he wasn’t allowed to publically support anyone yet. I think there was still around ten or so candidates left at the time. After that, I stopped pressing him for details. I didn’t want to put him on the spot.
    As for the rest of my previous comment, I was throwing out that info. I offer no interpretation as it could mean anything. Just an FYI of sorts.

  26. pocketfrog says:

    “…some imagined irreparable damage Trump will do to the Republican party…”
    Will do? Donald’s doing plenty of damage now. Every time he goes on stage, spouting off nonsense and sounding like an angry drunk, he makes the GOP look terrible for nominating him. If the columnist can’t see that, he must be on something.

  27. pocketfrog says:

    “…don’t let people from outside the GOP vote in the primaries…”
    Or run in the primaries.

  28. Stephen says:

    “the majority of Hispanics, blacks, and women want nothing to do with him.”

    A majority of blacks arent going to vote Trump? That blacks aren’t supporting the Republican candidate is a shocking development. Can you share any other clever analysis?

  29. Artfuldgr says:

    Donald Trump: She refused to acknowledge the threat of radical Islam. In fact Hillary Clinton supports a radical 550% increase in refugees coming into the United States. And that’s an increase in Barack Obama’s already high numbers. Under her plan will will admit hundreds of thousands of refugees from some of the most dangerous countries on earth with no way to screen who they are, what they are, where they came from. Already hundreds of immigrants and their children have been convicted… I only want to admit people who share our values and love our people… Hillary Clinton may be the most corrupt person to ever seek the presidency of the United States.“


    “Our country lost its way when we stopped putting the American people really first,” he said. “We got here because we switched from a policy of Americanism – focusing on what’s good for America’s middle class – to a policy of globalism, focusing on how to make money for large corporations who can move their wealth and workers to foreign countries all to the detriment of the American worker and the American economy.”

    “This is not a rising tide that lifts all boats,” he said. “This is a wave of globalization that wipes out our middle class and our jobs.”

    “They totally own her,” he said about foreign nations’ influence over the Democratic frontrunner. “And that will never change.”


    Hillary also wants to spend hundreds of billions to resettle Middle Eastern refugees in the United States, on top of the current record level of immigration.
    For the amount of money Hillary Clinton would like to spend on refugees, we could rebuild every inner city in America.


    “…Hillary Clinton accepted $58,000 in jewelry from the government of
    Brunei when she was Secretary of State – plus millions more for her
    foundation. The Sultan of Brunei has pushed oppressive Sharia law,
    including the punishment of death by stoning for being gay.”

    “The government of Brunei also stands to be one of the biggest
    beneficiaries of Hillary’s Trans-Pacific Partnership, which she would
    absolutely approve if given the chance,” Trump added. “Hillary Clinton
    took up to $25 million from Saudi Arabia, where being gay is also
    punishable by death.”

    anyone have any popcorn? i have some mikes hard lemonade we can sip as we watch the “fight of the century”

  30. Artfuldgr says:

    its only been lost if you listen to the communists… they control the dems, they control the majority press, they even eat their own, and now the not left is doing that too..

    when they are in play, you cant be sure what your seeing is seen in proportionality, and in any way that is truthful… ie. the left says there is no such thing as truth…

    but does it really matter tovarish?

  31. pocketfrog says:

    Yep – other than Bob Dole, every other GOP nominee has chosen to snub Donald by refusing to attend the convention. They want nothing to do with him.

  32. Artfuldgr says:

    New Poll: Latino Voters Meh on Clinton,Thumbs Down on Trump

    washington post
    Donald Trump overwhelmingly wins Hispanic vote in New York City

    washington post
    Donald Trump gets crushed among Hispanic voters: Poll

    washington times
    Donald Trump apparently won the Latino vote in Nevada

    notice how left press has him crushed and so gives people a side to claim is right… and then other press says other things..

    pick what you want, as there is no way to tell other than most press is liberal, so the ones that are reporting against the liberal ticket are rare comparatively

    My family is all immigrants and they HATE hillary, they like trump a lot, and i have hundreds bitching to me like i am some kind of american complaint depatment… they even bitch that the news get is wrong… but the bad idea here is that once they create both sides, they get to play the pick the truth you like vs the truth that is truth

  33. Artfuldgr says:

    This is fun:
    VIDEO: Youth stunned when confronted with Hillary quotes…

    Nearly every young person we spoke with was shocked to learn that our list of insensitive quotes came entirely from Hillary Clinton and not Donald Trump.

    she can only win if the voters dont actually know what she has done or said… and guess who wont let that happen?

  34. pocketfrog says:

    Do they control Richard Armitage, too? Because he said that he’ll vote for Hillary over Donald.

    I also think it’s strange how some people believe the press and the polls when they favor Donald, but when it’s bad news they say that it’s all made up. I’ll skip the Kool-Aid, thanks.

  35. JeffersonSpinningInGrave says:

    That would indeed be simpler. Especially, make it so they cannot have been a registered democrat for at least a few years.

  36. Torcer says:

    Trump’s Latest… The Art of Losing
    Either Donald Trump is the most incompetent politician I have ever seen, or he is throwing this election. Yesterday started off badly for the Trump campaign and got progressively worse.

    Trump’s strategy and tactics during this election have made absolutely no sense. In the primaries, as he swept from state to state winning, he let his people go. He left virtually no one on the ground to fight in the main showdown between Trump and Clinton. He used people to win delegates and then discarded them. His campaign staff is down to approximately 30 people and several of those are family members – those family members are all Democrats and have heavily supported Dems in previous elections. He has 1/10th the staff that Clinton has. Compare that to Clinton who has around 400 staff members working for her. He has just over $1 million in the bank, compared to Hillary Clinton, who currently has over $43 million to use and her accounts are growing. Trump does not have staffed teams working on communications, data, rapid response or his ground game.

    Until yesterday, we didn’t know how much Trump had raised. But yesterday was an FEC filing deadline. Hillary Clinton raised $28 million in May. Trump raised $3 million and loaned his campaign another $2 million, ending the month with a little over $1 million in the bank. This is not how you run a campaign for the presidency. He can’t possibly pull off a win this way and I believe he knows it. Did you know that Ben Carson’s campaign has more cash on hand than Trump’s right now? I’m not kidding. Ted Cruz has six times more cash on hand right now than Donald Trump and Cruz dropped out at the beginning of May. We are less than five months from election day and Trump hasn’t even approached the starting line, much less started running. Hillary is already picking out drapes for the White House.

    Trump is losing ground, not gaining out there. All the propaganda and conned masses in the world can’t change the fact that everywhere you look, Trump is despised and not wanted as president.

    So, we have a candidate with a Democratic history and his children who are ostensibly running his campaign and have a Democratic history. We have a team that is imploding and what few that are on staff are being fired. Trump has spent the past few weeks doing almost everything you would do if you were trying to throw an election, from attacking a federal judge over his Mexican heritage to not building a serious ground game or actively raising the money necessary to wage a credible campaign for the presidency. He’s not savaging Clinton as you would expect him to and he is not making nice with the GOP or the delegates.

    Instead, he has masterfully used propaganda through Fox News, the Drudge Report, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit and others to get his message out. Whenever things die down a bit, he creates a new emergency so he can be in the headlines again. He aims his messages and speeches at his audience depending on the crowd he speaks in front of and how they feel that day.

    For all the world it looks to me as if Trump is looking for an exit or is simply going to ‘lose’ to Hillary and then blame others for it, while enriching himself once again and maybe getting a news network or something out of the deal. Clinton is leading Trump even with all her scandals and the fact that everyone hates her to pieces. Trump should write a new book: The Art of Losing. It would be a best seller after this fiasco.

  37. Karl Ushanka says:

    Spot on Stephen.

    The NeverTrumpers have zero credibility now and their blather is just noise. They point to polls that say Hillary will beat Trump, and they cling to a candidate who couldn’t. Would they ever acknowledge a poll of Republicans asking who will back a replacement GOP candidate? I bet not. It doesn’t fit their narrative.

    Some of these frauds want a Trump apology, or a change in Trump’s goals. Trump is a smart man. If he thinks he needs their support in November, I’m sure he’ll dilute his plans and beg their forgiveness. His only other option is to attract cross-over voters…

    Also true – Hillary could win. If she does, in my opinion it was meant to be. The “Free Stuff” message has a following and it can be argued we have already passed that point of no return.

    I stopped visiting MB the moment Dave went off the rails. I found this post through Lame Cherry.

  38. Dan Kas says:

    dave is for hillary. This site makes it pretty obvious.

  39. pocketfrog says:

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with conservatives wanting the GOP to have a nominee who’s actually conservative.

  40. calmly_observing says:

    There isn’t anything wrong. But the party hasn’t put a true conservative on the ballot in over 25 years. Why screw it up now?

  41. david says:

    He’s only got such a high unfavorable rating because there are retarded conservatives and libertarians who would rather help Hillary get elected than support Trump.

  42. Alienmotives says:

    6/22/16: Trump assails Hillary in a speech; Hillary assails Trump in a speech. Both accuse the other of being a liar, of being incompetent, of being dangerous regarding the US economy and being disastrous regarding their foreign policy.

    Both are right.

    Both are also big-government Marxists. Both are instinctive liberals. Both have defrauded the elderly and the desperate who made the mistake of trusting them to better their lives. Both have managed to con a small segment of the population into trusting them yet again, despite their lifelong demonstrations of abusing the civil society.

    There are absolutely policy differences, but as they are fundamentally untrustworthy, it must be recognized that the policy for either could change from one heartbeat to the next. There is no functional difference between them.

    As I would never vote for Hillary, I can never vote for Trump.

    Please, Delegates, serve the function you were given. Not to be a mere rubber stamp; if that was the intent, the direct vote would hold sway and delegates would be unnecessary. You are the best educated and experienced, politically, among us. You have the authority to exercise your judgment. Please do so.

  43. Alienmotives says:

    You are delusional. While, admittedly, Mark Davis was a Cruz supporter, that was in the Senatorial election. He has been deep in the tank for Trump ever since he attended Trump’s first Dallas rally, and he saw the fame followers who had previously been apolitical showing up. At that point he abandoned conservatism in favor of big-government populism, in what has been demonstrated to be a poorly considered view that Trump could defeat Clinton. Instead, he consistently supports the only candidate who can and will definitively lose, and take the Republican party down with him.

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