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May 23 2016

The False Choice

Again and again the Stormtrumpers whack you over the head with the same rhetorical club: “If you don’t vote for Trump you are voting for Hillary.” This is nonsense. As RedState notes,

That is like saying either buy the Chevrolet or you’re buying a Dodge.

It is as if they believe that by hijacking a party, they automatically acquire the right to demand obedience from those who supported that party back when it stood for the diametric opposite of Trumpism.

Conservatives believe in limited government, individual liberty/responsibility, property rights, free trade, moral decency, a strong international presence, and preservation of the Constitution — none of which would escape being seriously undermined by Trump. If you value these principles, no one can make you vote against them.

There are other options. If big spending, authoritarian moonbat Gary Johnson takes the Libertarian Party out of play, vote for the Constitution Party, or don’t vote at all. Writing in Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho would be more constructive than voting for either of the progressive statist candidates.

Dwayne-Elizondo-Mountain-Dew-Herbert-Camacho
A far better choice than Trump/Hillary.

On tips from Torcer and Occam’s Stubble.




69 Responses to “The False Choice”

  1. toheckwithyou says:

    Again and again these dumb masses just don’t get it. There are only 2 choices. It’s either Trump or Hillary. Not the same as: Ford or Chevrolet or Dodge or Nissan or Toyota or GMC or whatever

  2. Gex says:

    write in dave blount and michelle fields ,representing the bruised arm party.

  3. Occam's Stubble says:

    The only sane strategy is to reform the GOP from within. That is what the Tea Party has been working on. Lo and behold, we got the best conservative candidate since Reagan out of the effort (Cruz). He lost in a squeaker to a populist moonbat. So what? This is no different from Romney or McCain or Dole except that it is progress. None of those guys had a serious conservative challenger. Hillary will damage this country for a generation. Trump at least has a chance, however slim, of doing something different.

  4. Bellator says:

    But Trump IS Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho! Wait until he beats Clinton, becomes President, and then fires an automatic rifle into the the air during his first State of the Union address.

  5. gary says:

    I’m writing in Camacho, and “Average Joe” Bauers for VP, cuz he’s gonna fix everything! He gonna fix the ecomony! and he’s gonna do it all in one week!

  6. gary says:

    and he’s gonna tell Shiela Jackson Lee to sit her monkey ass down!!

  7. calmly_observing says:

    “That is like saying either buy the Chevrolet or you’re buying a Dodge.” How silly. So the analogy forces me to believe there are only two car choices available? I have tens of choices.

    With presidential elections, the two parties ALWAYS get the large majority of the votes, even when someone like Perot ran. So, it’s fair to say that NOT voting for Romney/Trump/GOP is indeed helping the Dem candidate. Unless, of course, there is a lot of “not voting” of Sander’s supporters. But given history, the Dem GOTV is a proven winner.

    But then again, this election is hard to compare to many in history.

  8. Ed. G. Mann says:

    One problem with reforming the GOPe is the likes of Jeb!, McCain, Kristol, McConnell, Ryan, Romney, the Bush family and a bunch of others notably Big Business, lobbyists and Wall Street who will lose their power base. They will not go quietly into the night.

    These are the ones who worked hand in glove with Reid to keep things as they were. They need to kicked to the curb; probably most of those currently sitting in Congress should be booted too, along with their staffers. They’ve been bought and sold doing most of the scut work.

    Don’t worry about what the Donks are doing. Bernie is tearing them apart. When he’s finished, you will have the New Venezuelan Democrat Party. Let us see him sell that!

  9. Ed. G. Mann says:

    I think Blount has been playing with the Krell Mental Machine a bit too much.

  10. cecil2 says:

    If I don;t buy the dodge the Chevrolet does not show up in my driveway and tax me to death with a trunk full load of immigrants.

    So yeah, the analogy is ridiculous. IF ONLY we had a free market in politics.

    I would keep my money every time and YOU would go out of business.

  11. Bob Elfers says:

    I don’t think that Trump will be so bad. He is going for the Big Legacy and wants to be remembered as the guy who saved America. Not the first US dictator. Although I hope he uses Obama’s precedent for awhile to put the scales back in place.

  12. Ed. G. Mann says:

    We do. They are called primaries. I presume you voted in one or perhaps one of yours is yet to be held.

  13. MissAnthropy says:

    Uhhhh, it’s not a “false choice” it’s the choice. Those are the candidates for the 2016 election.

    Instead of all this foaming at the mouth maybe you “true conservatives” should ask yourselves why the true conservative couldn’t win the Republican primary. I voted for Cruz in my state’s primary. He lost in my state. The candidate is Trump. There’s no point continuing to argue that Cruz would have been better. That part of the process is over. I will be damned if I am going to indirectly aid Hillary Clinton by denying a vote for the one candidate who has a chance of defeating her.

    I can’t believe anyone here would consider otherwise. If you’ve adopted the “worse is better” philosophy, and want to advocate for a Hillary presidency, then have the intellectual honesty to say so openly.

  14. Occam's Stubble says:

    Nobody said it was going to be easy or quick. It took the progressives a hundred years to get from where they started to Barack Obama. If we’re not in it for the same long haul, we might as well give up now.

  15. pocketfrog says:

    It is a false choice. The liberal New Yorker vs. the liberal New Yorker.

  16. Ed. G. Mann says:

    True. The battle is joined and now isn’t the time to back down. The Presidency actually isn’t the biggest prize, it’s the Senate and getting rid of McConnell. With that in hand, I think Trump will surprise everyone; But if he has to battle Congress… The down ticket races are just as critical.

  17. MissAnthropy says:

    And the progressives weren’t so fixated on ideological purity that they wouldn’t take advantage of incrementalism when they had the opportunity. Trump might not be the standard bearer of academic conservatism, but he’s a battering ram that can do damage to the parasitic classes in Washington. That in turn can create opportunity in the future, perhaps for people who are conservative standard bearers.

    What we’ve been doing for the past 20 years simply isn’t working. Getting on a high horse of outrage, as has been the case at Moonbattery for months on end now, isn’t going to achieve anything.

  18. Ed. G. Mann says:

    Don’t vote!

  19. MissAnthropy says:

    To stick with their car analogy, their answer to “do you want a Ford or a Chevy?” is “Neither. I want a Peugeot!”

    Ok, except Peugeot isn’t in the US market. They don’t sell cars here. We are asking you to choose from what is, you know, actually available.

  20. Nobama says:

    A liberal New Yorker who’s run his entire campaign on closing the border, kicking out illegals, ending Obamacare and common core, enforcing gun rights, lowering taxes across the board, etc. Yeah whatever dude.

    — I VOTED FOR TED CRUZ IN THE PRIMARIES

  21. Ed. G. Mann says:

    Typical pettifoggery of the anti-Trump bunch.

  22. Gex says:

    Mr. blount, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
    apologies to Adam Sandler

  23. MAS says:

    Awww, is it feeling somewhat bitchy today?

  24. Nobama says:

    Perfect!

  25. Nobama says:

    Hmm…that alone could be worth it

  26. Nobama says:

    At this stage in our country, might not be a bad idea. Better than another Bushdolemccainromney.

    – I VOTED FOR TED CRUZ IN THE PRIMARIES

  27. Ed. G. Mann says:

    Not me. Never feel that way. You have me confused with others on this site.

  28. Occam's Stubble says:

    Since Reagan left office, the conservative agenda got its biggest advancement from the Contract With America and all of its provisions passed under a Democrat president.

  29. mouth2taco says:

    I can’t take this site anymore. That was such a childish argument. Not voting for Trump means that it is more likely that Hillary wins. Voting for Hillary means that it is more likely that she wins. They are not the same thing, but both are likely to have the same result. This isn’t rocket science – it’s not even playing with blocks!

    Anyway, remember kids, when eating a hotdog, always sit with your back straight and bring the hotdog up to your mouth – never hold the hotdog over your plate and lower your mouth onto the hotdog.

    But for tacos, always hold the taco over your plate, turn your head sideways, and lower your mouth onto the taco – enjoy.

    😉

  30. Mogumbo Gono says:

    Nobama,

    I was a Cruz supporter. But he lost in the primaries. Now it’s time to close ranks. Don’t be another Robin:

    http://americandigest.org/sidelines/acandidate.jpg

  31. Mogumbo Gono says:

    ALSO:

    NOT VOTING = a vote for Hillary.

    Is that really what you want?

    Really??

  32. Mogumbo Gono says:

    “Don’t vote” means: Let Hillary win.

    Is that really what you want?

    Wouldn’t you much rather hear the squealing, screaming, and foot stomping of the liberal contingent?

    Wouldn’t you rather constantly remind them that they didn’t really move to Canada?

    Wouldn’t you rather be on the winning side for a change?

    I would. When my candidate lost, I decided to support the winner, because that’s the only rational choice.

    I CRAVE hearing the wailing and gnashing of teeth by the libs! I CRAVE hearing the lamentations of their women, and their transgenders!

    And I crave seeing George Soros throw his money away on another loser. Don’t you?

    Vote — and revel in the schadenfreude!

  33. Mogumbo Gono says:

    Me, too.

    But that’s in the past.

    The question is: who will you vote for in the general election?

    The only viable choice is either Trump or Hillary.

    I vote Trump. I want to hear the squealing of the iberals. Don’t you? That is real satisfaction, no?

  34. Sauer Thirtyeight says:

    My, my. Such a mass of frantic and groundless bigotries masquerading as logical deductive argument.

  35. Ed. G. Mann says:

    That was in response to that peckerwood “Pocketfrog”.

    As to your above, most certainly. I voted Republican only twice before: Reagan and Goldwater. The rest of the time the GOP ran balloons who were more aligned with the Dems than anything wanted. Always voted Libertarian.

    Now I think I may vote Republican for the third time.
    Sticking the freude in Hilary’s schaden will be something to be viewed. Costing Soros a couple of more millions is fine too. Lock and load! It’s live ammo time.

  36. Nobama says:

    Clearly my last post was misinterpreted. U and I are in agreement.

    I’ve been trying to get these #NeverTrumpers to wake the F up for weeks now.

  37. Nobama says:

    Fyi I’ve been posting that I VOTED FOR TED tagline on most of my posts cuz I got sick and tired of being called a Trump lackey. Read some of my other posts. We’re on the same side!

  38. Ed. G. Mann says:

    If he does what he says and some of it in the first 100 days, he’ll do a short “hat trick” and get another four. As for ObamaCare, what he needs to do is make insurance basic Major Medical which can be bought across state lines. there are regs in place that require insurance companies to have resources to pay claims and there are re-insurers. Make that Major Med a requirement. Hospitalization one buys it the same way; companies compete. you add on what you want but you don’t have to buy hospital insurance. Once the states are out of the business of rate setting and plan requirements, premiums will come down. you pay for pre-existing conditions so one should buy in while young and keep it.

  39. our system says:

    our political system is corrupt unless you vote for trump the effect is a defacto vote for hillary unless you can prevent clinton from getting 271 electoral votes.

  40. Artfuldgr says:

    Well, lets see…
    on the republican ticket, there is only one candidate left
    on the dem ticket there are two candidates but only one has superdelegates

    no third party has EVER won more than 27 percent and that was teddy roosevelt after his presidency… (second was ross perot)

    if i remember how this works, the one of the two with the most votes gets to have the presidency unless the electoral college goes another way (Which it has done once in history).

    so. given that there is an either or mutually exclusive selection, its not the same as buying chevy or dodge… in fact, with those you actually spend your whole money and the actions of a few hundred million others wont confound you…

    its an either or selection
    you either vote trump and he wins
    or you vote hillary and she wins
    you dont get a third chioce in thsi came no matter how much you may want one

  41. Artfuldgr says:

    except that one is not a liberal ny person, they are a progressive arkensas transplant…

  42. Artfuldgr says:

    its impossible, such is the poison called spite…

  43. Artfuldgr says:

    Trump cares too much for his granfather and family to dirty the name for the next 100 years… which is more than i can say for most others… he has ALWAYS wanted his name to be something to remember well, despite the negative press trying to make normal business into abnormal business just for him… its not like he raped someone and told her to do something about that lip… or stood up for the rapist.. heck, evne the women in the times hatchet job came forward to say that the times took them out of context and stand up for trump, which is more than Cosby can say about his past contacts.

  44. Artfuldgr says:

    with obamacare he only has to force them to follow the law as written, its falling apart without illegal action to adjust it… the insurance companies are lsoing a fortune and there arent enough winners to pay for losers, which they want the people to pay them (an illegal adjustment to law without congress)

  45. Artfuldgr says:

    no, but the way it looks he dont care if you get a Chebby with immigrants..

  46. Artfuldgr says:

    you cant reform what ignores you…

    this is getting their attention, but not toward reform, but towards power consolidation and public disenfranchisement…

  47. Artfuldgr says:

    if trump loses, we will know that there can be no reform..

    if he wins, we will know that we as the public CAN reform if we vote for it and force the outcome with said votes.

  48. Artfuldgr says:

    actually they were, then they got orders to ignore that, so when they win, your going to see a fight like you have never seen as then there is no limits, no morals, nothing but winning, at any expense…

  49. Occam's Stubble says:

    True. You first have to get it to stop ignoring you. The Tea Party was a good start. Eric Cantor hit them where it hurts. Trump is sending them running for cover.

  50. Artfuldgr says:

    That is like saying either buy the Chevrolet or you’re buying a Dodge

    no no,, its like saying, either buy the soviet Zil (hillary), the soviet no longer made Marussia (bernie), or the american made Tucker, which the other automobile elites eventually put out of business (despite its innovative features)

  51. Dan Northrup says:

    So I got three options? So does my wife ever night before better, and sometimes she doesn’t pick any of them. I’m gonna ask her how she does that…

  52. Torcer says:

    Just What Were Donald Trump’s Ties to the Mob?
    In his signature book, The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump boasted that when he wanted to build a casino in Atlantic City, he persuaded the state attorney general to limit the investigation of his background to six months. Most potential owners were scrutinized for more than a year. Trump argued that he was “clean as a whistle”—young enough that he hadn’t had time to get into any sort of trouble. He got the sped-up background check, and eventually got the casino license.

    But Trump was not clean as a whistle. Beginning three years earlier, he’d hired mobbed-up firms to erect Trump Tower and his Trump Plaza apartment building in Manhattan, including buying ostensibly overpriced concrete from a company controlled by mafia chieftains Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno and Paul Castellano. That story eventually came out in a federal investigation, which also concluded that in a construction industry saturated with mob influence, the Trump Plaza apartment building most likely benefited from connections to racketeering. Trump also failed to disclose that he was under investigation by a grand jury directed by the U.S. attorney in Brooklyn, who wanted to learn how Trump obtained an option to buy the Penn Central railroad yards on the West Side of Manhattan.

    Why did Trump get his casino license anyway? Why didn’t investigators look any harder? And how deep did his connections to criminals really go?
    [..]
    No other candidate for the White House this year has anything close to Trump’s record of repeated social and business dealings with mobsters, swindlers, and other crooks. Professor Douglas Brinkley, a presidential historian, said the closest historical example would be President Warren G. Harding and Teapot Dome, a bribery and bid-rigging scandal in which the interior secretary went to prison. But even that has a key difference: Harding’s associates were corrupt but otherwise legitimate businessmen, not mobsters and drug dealers.
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910?

  53. Torcer says:

    Runaway Train
    Yes, it’s a con. In the three weeks since Donald Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee the remains of modern American conservatism have decayed at an alarming rate.
    [..]
    In the time since he effectively captured the GOP nomination, Trump has doubled down on his slanderous claim, borrowed from the National Enquirer, that Ted Cruz’s father helped Lee Harvey Oswald months before the JFK assassination; refused to apologize for attacking Heidi Cruz’s looks, once again calling her “fair game”; picked a fight with David Cameron, leader of America’s longest-standing ally; distanced himself from his own tax plan; recommitted himself to releasing his tax returns and then declared defiantly that those returns are his private business and would not be released; backed off his proposal to ban temporarily entry to the United States for Muslims and then reiterated his support for such a ban; and, finally, lied on national television about a 1991 audio recording in which he created a fake persona—”John Miller,” a made-up spokesman played by Trump himself—for an interview with a gossip magazine, in order to boast about his virility and his virtue.

    Most striking, perhaps, was Trump’s decision last week to abandon the promise at the heart of his unorthodox candidacy: that he would forgo political contributions in order to remain immune to the influence of political money. “I will tell you this,” Trump said last fall. “Nobody’s putting up millions of dollars for me. I’m putting up my own money.” When donors contribute to a political campaign, Trump argued, they buy the candidates who accept their money. “Remember this: They have total control over Jeb and Hillary and everybody else that takes that money.”
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/runaway-train/article/2002484

  54. Torcer says:

    Nobama A liberal New Yorker who’s run his entire campaign on closing the border, kicking out illegals,

    Those are now ‘suggestions’..

    Nobama ending Obamacare

    Wrong
    We tried to inform you that Donald liked the Obamacare mandate

    Donald Trump really said this: I like the Obamacare MANDATE http://therightscoop.com/donald-trump-really-said-this-i-like-the-obamacare-mandate/

    Nobama lowering taxes across the board, etc.??

    Wrong again:

    Trump: I Believe in Raising Taxes on the Rich
    http://patterico.com/2016/04/22/trump-i-believe-in-raising-taxes-on-the-rich/

    So why are you still supporting Trump?

  55. MissAnthropy says:

    So are you #NeverTrump dumbshits seriously just fine and dandy with Hillary Clinton making what will probably be 3 new Supreme Court appointments?

    Trump has already revealed his Supreme Court short list. What do you suppose the Ice Queen’s list looks like?

    SMH.

  56. geeknerd says:

    Good analogy! Hillary is Chancellor Palpatine and Trump is Count Dooku. It’s not false choice but false flag!

  57. Nobama says:

    Because I’m #NeverHillary and its the only thing I can do to help stop her.

    At this point you are either #NeverHillary or #NeverTrump. It’s impossible to be both.

    Any rational person realizes this fact. Which are you?

  58. Would you like someone to read the article to you again?

  59. so, what does not voting for Hillary get us?

  60. So, you actually believe that Trump will actually do anything he claims? How interesting….

  61. It is possible to be neither…

  62. Not Sure….I thought his head would be bigger.

  63. Torcer says:

    Can you please address my points instead of ignoring them?

    Nobama A liberal New Yorker who’s run his entire campaign on closing the border, kicking out illegals,

    Those are now ‘suggestions’..

    Nobama ending Obamacare

    Wrong
    We tried to inform you that Donald liked the Obamacare mandate

    Donald Trump really said this: I like the Obamacare MANDATE http://therightscoop.com/donald-trump-really-said-this-i-like-the-obamacare-mandate/

    Nobama lowering taxes across the board, etc.??

    Wrong again:

    Trump: I Believe in Raising Taxes on the Rich
    http://patterico.com/2016/04/22/trump-i-believe-in-raising-taxes-on-the-rich/

    So why are you still supporting Trump?

    Why did you at first support Ted Cruz?
    What problems with Donald at first cause you to support someone else?

    Are there more than two candidates? Yes or No?

  64. Nobama says:

    Done beating this dead horse. Bored with it. More exciting things going on right now, like Trump gearing up to unleash hellfire on Bill and Hill like never before. This is gonna be fun.

    https://instagram.com/p/BFwTioiGhQj/

    Trump is willing to go where the GOPe always feared to go. Remember Kerry getting “swift boated?” You ain’t seen nothing yet.

  65. Ed. G. Mann says:

    That just hurts people and costs the taxpayers more in subsidies.

    Much of health insurance cost comes from the states requiring people to carry additional coverage to satisfy lobbyists and from limiting competition across state lines.

  66. Ed. G. Mann says:

    If AND ONLY IF we keep after our elected Representatives with faxes and phone calls. Force them to vote on and pass bills that are good for the Country, not their pockets.

  67. Torcer says:

    Please address my points instead of ignoring them:

    Nobama A liberal New Yorker who’s run his entire campaign on closing the border, kicking out illegals,

    Those are now ‘suggestions’..

    Nobama ending Obamacare

    Wrong
    We tried to inform you that Donald liked the Obamacare mandate

    Donald Trump really said this: I like the Obamacare MANDATE http://therightscoop.com/donald-trump-really-said-this-i-like-the-obamacare-mandate/

    Nobama lowering taxes across the board, etc.??

    Wrong again:

    Trump: I Believe in Raising Taxes on the Rich
    http://patterico.com/2016/04/22/trump-i-believe-in-raising-taxes-on-the-rich/

    So why are you still supporting Trump?

    Why did you at first support Ted Cruz?
    What problems with Donald at first cause you to support someone else?

    Are there more than two candidates? Yes or No?

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