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May 14 2012

Why You Need a Concealed Carry Permit

The adventures of these darling little Trayvons in Columbia, Missouri was unlikely to be reported in the national media, which currently busies itself campaigning against Stand Your Ground laws.

This is what our liberal ruling class refers to as “social justice.”

On a tip from AC.




85 Responses to “Why You Need a Concealed Carry Permit”

  1. Vic Thomas says:

    I carry, but I can’t get a CC permit in Los Angeles. Impossible. I have to live with the fact that the police can take my gun away. But I will NOT be another Reginald Denny.

  2. GunnerJones says:

    I just don’t going into the city anymore

  3. AC says:

    If anyone has any questions about how to carry, what to carry, or the licensing process, feel free to ask.

    An ill wind blows our way. Conservatives must exercise personal responsibility in protecting ourselves and our families against criminal attack.

  4. Craig says:

    He was king hit from behind. Having a concealed gun upon his person would have been useless under such circumstances. Indeed, after after being struck to the ground his attackers might have come across the weapon and taken it. Even using it upon him. What the video does demonstrate is the importance of situational awareness. The pack had obviously marked him before his entry to the garage, and he was wholly oblivious to it.

  5. AC says:

    The first hit was not avoidable, however there was a break in the action after he had been knocked to the ground prone and kicked by two thugs, as a third made himself visible. A mob attack in a structure known for strong arm robberies would be enough justification to clear leather in my state. He could have drawn then, or when he saw the pack walking up to him after the break in the action.

    His SA was also sorely lacking. One positive benefit of becoming a daily carrier is the SA which comes with the culture.

  6. Observer says:

    Were the attackers white hispanics?

  7. Wiley Peyote says:

    I’ve had a CCP for a long time. It’s a personal decision. Whatever you do, go jurisdictional sources for your information, not internet forums or comment sections.

  8. Laurie says:

    I was going to kick back and watch some TV tonight, but after watching that video, I just made a reservation at the local gun range to get in some extra practice. I think I’ll focus on hitting moving targets.

  9. Code3 says:

    If 0bama had a son, he would look like these sucker punching cowards.

  10. Sam Adams says:

    Craig says:
    May 14, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    He was king hit from behind. Having a concealed gun upon his person would have been useless under such circumstances.
    _________

    Better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it.

    A gun isn’t the solution to all problems with violence, and there are cases when you can’t use your firearm….but, relying upon the kindness and decency of a mob seems like a bad idea.

  11. wingmann says:

    Note to self again…
    Must.Go.Shopping.

  12. Path says:

    I have a question for both AC and Wiley. I’m qualified for CC in my state but have been putting it off. I very rarely go out after dark. I’m an elderly white woman and want my gun for home protection. Why should I get my CC license?

  13. TrickleUpPolitics says:

    Path: So you can carry it in your purse.

  14. Path says:

    I don’t usually carry a purse; why ask for trouble. As long as I have my license, a credit card and perhaps some cash, I’m good.

  15. TrickleUpPolitics says:

    Path, I am not being flippant. In some states you also need a CCP to carry the gun in your car. If you want to carry the gun from your house to your car in your purse, you need a CCP, otherwise the gun nazi’s will come after you. You also make a mistake thinking that elderly white women are only attacked after dark. Unless you just want to strap your gun to your hip (I’d love to see you do that!), get a permit.

  16. AC says:

    I used my carry gun to stop a mugging against me in broad daylight in the parking lot of a busy big box store. The “youth” took off when it cleared leather.

    Robberies and rapes can happen anywhere. 2AM at a stop and rob is a bit worse.

    Remember, there is no such thing as a safe area, only safer areas.

    Reginald Denny was driving from point A to point B, not expecting to stop, yet he was pulled from his truck and had his head smashed in with a piece of concrete.

    It can happen anywhere, to anybody, even though it typically happens more often in certain places to certain people.

    Predators seek out the weak. An elderly woman is a perfect target, especially if the attacker operates on racist hatred against what he perceives as “white privilege.”

    The news is full of countless little old ladies who have been mugged on the way home from a bank or ATM.

    You can name about any place and any time and I can find an example of violent felonies occurring there. I read a story last week about a mope walking into a police station and trying to rob the dispatcher with a finger gun.

    Don’t carry a gun in your purse. You can’t get to it fast enough, and in the event of a purse snatching, the criminal will become armed with your weapon.

  17. Path says:

    All good things to think about. Guess that means some type of holster and back to the range to practice with it. Thanks all.

  18. AC says:

    Knife wielding maniac goes on stabbing spree in grocery store

    The felon bought the knife from the store, paid at the checkout, and then started stabbing people. The rampage was ended when a law-abiding citizen pulled his gun and ordered the maniac to stop.

    That’s a bit unusual, but it proves the point. Grocery stores (especially the tobacco/money order counter) are frequently held up by thugs.

    A robber held up this bingo hall and started shooting. The incident ended when the owner pulled his gun and put the felon down. What would have become of the patrons if the owner was not armed?

    This man was going home when robbers opened fire. He was licensed to carry, and shot back to save his life.

    This man using an ATM fired to repel three robbers.

    This man did too

    This man stopped a bank robber

    Here are two resources for you to browse:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/TheArmedCitizen

    http://gunssavelives.net/

    Not all apply to concealed carry, however there is no shortage of stories of permit holders saving their own lives.

  19. Path says:

    I do thank you all for the advice and suggestions and know that I have a lot to learn. I only started this in January, 2012. In fact, yesterday I went to my first gun show ever to get some needed materials for the range. I’ve put the resources mentioned into my favorites so that I can go back and learn.

  20. Vic Kelley says:

    “This is what our liberal ruling class refers to as “social justice.””

    Excellent thread and comments. The author’s conclusion is absolutely right. Coloreds don’t see other races as humans. Coloreds have no reservation whatsoever in attacking other races. They don’t think about consequences and the few that are caught don’t face just consequences.

    I’m glad some people still resist coloreds and stick up for themselves. Carry the best weapon you can. There are very few one-on-one encounters when it comes to colored criminals.

  21. AC says:

    There is another practical reason to get your permit.

    Consider this:

    While at home, you should be armed in the event of intruders. If you keep your gun in the bedroom nightstand, and intruders break into the bedroom while you are in another room, you won’t be able to defend yourself.

    Carrying a gun on your hip at home becomes very comfortable and unnoticeable after a short break-in period. If you’ve ever carried a holstered cell phone then you know that you become used to it very quickly.

    Needing to disarm when you go out during the day then rearm when you get home is annoying. Wouldn’t you rather arm your person in the morning then disarm your person at night?

    It is so much more convenient to always have it ready if you should need it, because felons aren’t going to call ahead and schedule a convenient time to attack. By keeping it on you, you won’t forget where you set it down.

    This woman was attacked by an intruder while she was in her shower. Though idiot leftists might sneer at gun owners and ask them if they use the restroom while armed, prepared citizens know that trouble can happen anywhere. This woman was lucky she was able to get to her gun. If the nude intruder had been more aggressive, she would have been dead.

    The philosophy of personal protection is most effective when it becomes an always-on habit.

  22. AC says:

    Youtube is a great resource for learning how others manage to carry concealed in female attire, which does make things more difficult than a man’s jacket or a looser shirt.

  23. Gunny G says:

    When facing a threat that a REASONABLE person would deem a threat, i.e., niggers approaching you in a mob, you can draw and hold it against your leg. You’re ready to a few caps into some niggers and they know it. If they act, then it is all on them.

  24. AC says:

    Here’s a great thread from ARFCOM

    Street robberies and you – The Basics

  25. Gunny G says:

    Path:

    12 ga Mossberg 930SPX auto-shotgun with #5-7 birdshot for home defense. You’ll kill an intruder no problem and the birdshot does not fly out into the street and slows way down when it hits sheetrock.

  26. Path says:

    Gunny – I’m not ready for any kind of a shotgun. However, in a more positive vain, my gun will take a “shot shell.” Though I can’t yet give you the details of exactly how it works, it works the same as a shotgun shell and should do the trick.

  27. Sinister66 says:

    Have a CCP but rather open carry as much as possible. As for the kid in the video,being armed wouldnt have helped him at all. after that first punch, he was done. he had no idea what happened even after the mob came back and went through his pockets.

    AC says:

    If you have to carry in your own home you might want to rethink were you live.

  28. AC says:

    If you have to carry in your own home you might want to rethink were you live.

    Tell that to Dr. William Petit, who lost his family in a horrendous home invasion in a “good” neighborhood

    I don’t “have” to carry in my home. I do so out of habit. I live in a good area in a home which you probably couldn’t break in if you tried.

    Most people have to make compromises. Most people can’t afford to make their home intruder proof or live behind gates. What about them? Should they keep playing the lottery until they can afford to move somewhere which meets your extreme safety criteria?

    There are evil people in this world. They can strike any time, any where. Either you make personal protection a habit, such as locking your doors and keeping mail/newspapers picked up, or eventually your number is going to come up. Maybe you do everything right and it comes up anyway.

  29. Wiley Peyote says:

    Open carry is common in my little country NC town, and I’m pretty sure at least half the pick ups have both legal and illegal weapons inside. I carry a Kel-Tec P32 for comfort and back up, and/or a Para Ord PXT 9mm semi-auto or a .38 Ruger LCR revolver. I have a Taurus 9mm semi auto in a holster nailed to the inside of my office desk kneehole (I handle lots of cash at times). I have my father’s old Detroit PD .38 service revolver in the ‘elbow box’ of my truck. At home I have a 12 gauge short barrel loaded with buckshot shells along with the one or two handguns I carry around. I keep rifles and other shotguns for hunting, plus several collector handguns, locked up at home.

    Some folks call me paranoid – the same ones who’ll call me a genius if I ever (God forbid) successfully defend myself and/or family. I was taught weapons as a child by a police officer father and his many precinct buddies in 1960s Detroit. Detroit. 1960s. ‘Nuff said.

  30. Wiley Peyote says:

    BTW, when unarmed and attacked by superior numbers, and you can’t run, going to the ground is not a bad idea. You can’t be surrounded on the ground and basically can defend better. Only so many people can kick/punch at once Standing and fighting 6+ attackers is suicide. However, even on the ground, if the numbers against you are too great, you’re basically screwed no matter what.

  31. Jay B. says:

    Feral black mob.. check. Attacking a lone, defenseless target like carrion animals.. check. Desperate need for several discharges of buckshot at close range.. check.

  32. PabloD says:

    I lived in Columbia, MO for years, and go back there every year or so to visit friends and family. Sadly, large areas of downtown are quite unsafe, especially at night. Most of the people I know wouldn’t go near the area where this attack occurred except (a) in broad daylight, and (b) with a concealed firearm.

  33. wingmann says:

    AC says:
    May 14, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    _______________

    AC.That was a VERY GOOD POST.
    I suggest everyone read that post…it will help folks who may hesitate when confronted…
    BTW,my head is always on a swivel and I am 6ft/215.These thugs don’t care who you are or when to strike.

    SA is imperative!

  34. Antisocialist says:

    I’d say you guys need to learn how to make traps and so on as well.

    Things that makes large number of foes be taken out.

    Because since this behaviour is unchecked in your land (just as it is here) they will eventually start attacking your homes as well, as AC pointed out in the thread.

  35. Antisocialist says:

    Any of your building armor yet? Personal armor that is.

  36. Antisocialist says:

    Oh and I’d look into maybe armoring my vehicle if I were you. Or have a spare one that is armored if TSHTF.

  37. AC says:

    Oh and I’d look into maybe armoring my vehicle if I were you. Or have a spare one that is armored if TSHTF.

    An armored Suburban capable of stopping up to 7.62×39 AP / .30-06 ball (level IV) will set you back about $85k.

  38. justme says:

    I have been wondering about the efficacy of Molotov cocktails as mob suppressant. Living in Bloombergistan, where only crooked cops and criminals are allowed to carry – though I have been amazed at the illegal private arsenals being amassed by people you would never think..

    As gasoline and glass jars are still legal, at least until Fuckberg takes them away from us… When the 0bama re-election/defeat festivities begin and the hordes of Social Justice Promoters begin their celebrations, Wouldn’t a Molotov work well? They took out Tiger Mark V tanks with them at the Battle of Stalingrad, I am guessing looting 0bama sons would be a bit less difficult in defeating than a Tiger…

    Any thoughts?

  39. TrickleUpPolitics says:

    AC, check out the concealed carry purses. For the woman who does not want to strap a gun to her hip.

    http://www.gungear.com/ez-catalog/X300536/2

  40. wingmann says:

    “An armored Suburban capable of stopping up to 7.62×39 AP / .30-06 ball (level IV) will set you back about $85k”
    ________________

    Start with your left window and door and add on when you can…
    You can borrow mt weekend run around if ya like…
    http://www.pcdesktopwallpaper.com/albums/wallpapers-military/Humvee-001.jpg

  41. SNuss says:

    Re: Wiley Peyote says:
    May 14, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    BTW, when unarmed and attacked by superior numbers, and you can’t run, going to the ground is not a bad idea.

    Yeah, it IS a bad idea, IMHO. Kicks cause a lot more damage than a punch, especially if your opponents are wearing boots. Also, if you get an opening to escape, it takes a lot longer to get up, and then run.

  42. Clingtomyguns says:

    Poor guy got caught off guard and was done for by the first cowardly shove into the wall. Don’t walk alone, be aware of surroundings and look over your shoulder. Could he have heard the ferral herd approaching or noticed them on the street? Once he saw that, best to have pulled weapon and held it ready to rear it, proceeding where he wanted to go but ready to whip around and open fire on first two approaching when they got within 10 yards. Once the two lead brothers were gunned down and laying in their blood, the rest of mob would have dispersed like screaming swine. Happy ending.

  43. AC says:

    AC, check out the concealed carry purses. For the woman who does not want to strap a gun to her hip.

    http://www.gungear.com/ez-catalog/X300536/2

    Seeing as I’m not too familiar with the mechanics of purses in general, let alone these, is there something special about carry purses which solve the problem of a snatch and grab robber? I’ve recommended against general purse carry to many because of the awesome responsibility law-abiding citizens have in helping keep firearms out of the hands of felons. Likewise, I’ve suggested a couple friends and associates of mine not carry in a laptop case (the man purse for the 21st century).

    I see the draw might not be an issue. Have you tried one of these personally?

    As concealed carry becomes more popular, hopefully we’ll see more concealed carry clothing for women. Even though I’m a Glock nut, I’d still suppose that an LCP in the pocket beats a Glock in the bag.

  44. Sam Adams says:

    Sinister66 says:
    May 14, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    Have a CCP but rather open carry as much as possible.
    ____________

    The problem with open carry, IMHO, is that bad guys know you are armed and plan accordingly. I like the element of surprise on my side.

    _________
    Path says:
    May 14, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    I have a question for both AC and Wiley. I’m qualified for CC in my state but have been putting it off. I very rarely go out after dark. I’m an elderly white woman and want my gun for home protection. Why should I get my CC license?
    __________

    Another piece of info. Carrying a loaded firearm within 1000 feet of a school is a federal offense, unless you have your concealed carry permit. If you live within 1000 feet of a school, taking your gun off your premises without properly securing it per federal law can result in a world of hurt.

    Just another reason.

    _____________

    justme says:
    May 14, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    I have been wondering about the efficacy of Molotov cocktails as mob suppressant.
    __________

    I have no doubt that you could be prosecuted for any number of infractions, including possession of a weapon of mass destruction. Just imagine the public outcry if St. Skittles had been roasted.

  45. AC says:

    Start with your left window and door and add on when you can…
    You can borrow mt weekend run around if ya like…
    http://www.pcdesktopwallpaper.com/albums/wallpapers-military/Humvee-001.jpg

    Ha, my daily driver is a Prius. The engine on the poor thing couldn’t take it.

  46. AC says:

    Molotovs are a bad idea. They’re indiscriminate, lack range, and can cause severe collateral damage. The link I’m about to post in the open thread will explain why something thrown (even if you’re a major league pitcher) will always lose to a group of Homie*.

    *Like Charlie, but urban.

  47. Rob Banks says:

    This is what our liberal ruling class refers to as “social justice.”

    I’ve always defined “social justice” as “A liberal getting slugged in the teeth”.

  48. Jimbo says:

    Craig @ May 14, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    “He was king hit from behind. Having a concealed gun upon his person would have been useless under such circumstances.”

    I couldn’t disagree more. A person cognizant enough to be prepared (getting a CCP) is cognizant enough to be vigilant at all times. Had this guy gone through CCP, been to the range a few times, and read about self defense – there would have been several dead piss-ants on the spot.

    And – you note – SEVEN cowardly freaking piss-ant “Obama sons” attack a single stupid white person. SEVEN of Obama’s sons against one defenseless unsuspecting white guy. What worthless cowards. Those 7 earn the forbidden slur – niggers.

  49. Jimbo says:

    And what was with the fat white guy who got off the elevator and didn’t assist someone in distress? What a goddamn pussy. He must be a union guy. Not his job description to help anyone other than himself.

  50. AC says:

    Another reason to have a carry permit, even if you live in a safer area:
    Disorientated herd of deer panic and storm a downtown mall, breaking windows and charging down cars

    They really were coming right for us.

  51. AC says:

    Is the war on poverty a success? Is our modern culture wholesome and nourishing?

    This documentary will answer those questions: Hood Life 3

    Direct link if you don’t sign in to Youtube

    No. This is industrial grade moonbattery.

    Video not safe for work.

    Any cop or prosecutor can vouch for the authenticity of such mopes.

    If you’re been slacking on getting your carry permit (and preferably a Colt 6920 or Bravo Company M4 or Mid16 for your home), skip though that video for about 10 or 15 minutes if you can stomach it.

    As vile as it might be, it sometimes helps to study the Goblinus americanus in its natural habitat.

    This is what will be overflowing if Zimmerman is acquitted. Call it Rodney 2.0.

  52. Bill T says:

    AC I think these guys could fix up that Prius for you.
    http://www.texasarmoring.com/bulletproof_cars_for_sale.html

  53. Antisocialist says:

    Thanks for the links guys and gals.

    If you have more on the subject feel free to post it’s appreciated.

  54. Stephen says:

    Lincoln was right about one thing at least. Seems as though if there weren’t any of these savages there’d be little need for video subservience…

  55. Louisiana Steve says:

    What everyone fails to notice is that a white guy was walking by just after the first blow. HAD HE possessed a weapon, he could have leveled the playing field so to speak. So the argument can be made that with more CCW’s, there will be more ‘backup’ and assistance to the unarmed.

  56. Sinister66 says:

    AC says:

    “Most people have to make compromises. Most people can’t afford to make their home intruder proof or live behind gates. What about them? Should they keep playing the lottery until they can afford to move somewhere which meets your extreme safety criteria?”

    Extreme safty criteria? WTF are you babbling about. I live out in the sticks. Iwould be lucky if the police could even find my house. But I refuse to live in fear. You should try it. Not everyone is out to get you.

    Wiley Peyote says:
    Nevada, were I live, is an open carry state but not many people do. I started carrying a FN 45 TACTICLE on my hip and if I remeber to grab it, a 5.7 for back up. About 50% of the time I dont carry anything and just leave my pistol in the car when I enter any kind of business.

    Clingtomyguns says:
    “Once the two lead brothers were gunned down and laying in their blood, the rest of mob would have dispersed like screaming swine. Happy ending.”

    Or they will pull their weapons also and start shooting back. Then you have two dead bad guys and one dead good guy.

    Sam Adams says:
    “The problem with open carry, IMHO, is that bad guys know you are armed and plan accordingly.”

    Exactly, they plan on staying away.

  57. Sinister66 says:

    oops “tactical”

  58. James says:

    Eric Holder says the cracker had it coming and would never prosecute as a hate crime for what the white devil’s ancestors might have done to his.

  59. Kanaka Girl says:

    Path, if you’re interested in a shotgun for home protection, you may want to look at a 20 gauge. I personally found the 12 gauge to be too heavy and cumbersome for me to handle. A 20 gauge is somewhat lighter and easier for a woman to manage and can still inflict a lot of damage if necessary. Also, if you’re not real familiar with firearms, you may want to consider getting a firearm with a laser. In an attack situation, it may help you with aim. Also, there’s nothing like that little red dot to make would be attackers think twice. 🙂

  60. JamesJ says:

    Here in Maryland, even retired police officers can’t get a CC permit unless politically connected. Democrats

  61. DarthKeller says:

    Most states are trying to ban guns, in OK we just passed OPEN CARRY laws!

    That’s right – come to OK and try to attack someone you WILL get shot! I may shoot you just for funsies, who knows.

  62. AC says:

    Extreme safty criteria? WTF are you babbling about. I live out in the sticks. Iwould be lucky if the police could even find my house. But I refuse to live in fear. You should try it. Not everyone is out to get you.

    Well, if intruders can break into your home at a moment’s notice, then you need to be able to draw at a moment’s notice, the perceived “safety” of the neighborhood notwithstanding. Burglars frequently target “safe” neighborhoods because nice areas have things to steal, whereas the hood or trailer park they’re from doesn’t.

    If you’d like, I can post up hundreds of articles of people confronted by intruders.

    If your home is large enough, you might not hear the forced entry. If you spend enough time outside on your property, then you also might have no warning. Suppose you come in from your yard and come face to face with a masked intruder.

    Not everyone is out to get us, just the millions of lazy, entitled career criminals produced by drug addiction, a rotten culture, and a lifetime of government entitlements and social justice ideology.

    According to studies, over 7% of Americans are convicted felons. That doesn’t include the mopes who have yet to be caught. The real number of felons is likely past 10% of the population.

    If felons were a US state, that state would be more populous than any state except California.

  63. StanInTexas says:

    AC, something else you need to keep in mind.

    Sinister is the poster that brags constantly about his huge arsenal and his purchases (always buys in pairs). He carry everywhere he goes, but if he were confronted by a knife-carring opponent, he would not draw his gun, but attack him with his fists (“throw down”), JUST BECAUSE HE CAN.

    Sinister is a liar and a sterotypical Internet Tough-Guy. I doubt he has ever held and fired a gun, much less owned one!

  64. StanInTexas says:

    Clingtomyguns says:
    “Once the two lead brothers were gunned down and laying in their blood, the rest of mob would have dispersed like screaming swine. Happy ending.”
    Or they will pull their weapons also and start shooting back. Then you have two dead bad guys and one dead good guy.

    Sinister, the news is filled with stories of people that cooperated with their attackers, handed over everything and did everything they were asked to do, only to be shot anyway.

    In the story in question, the victim is lucky to NOT be dead. You do not know if your attacker will be happy just to kick you around a bit… or beat you into a coma, or paralyze you, or KILL YOU.

    And not being the Internet Tough-Guy that you are, I have no desire to “throw down” with a group of younger, faster, and stronger savages when two to the chest and one to the head will do just as well!

  65. Craig says:

    Jimbo –

    “I couldn’t disagree more. A person cognizant enough to be prepared (getting a CCP) is cognizant enough to be vigilant at all times. Had this guy gone through CCP, been to the range a few times, and read about self defense – there would have been several dead piss-ants on the spot.”

    Perhaps. But no-one, no-one is switched on all the time. That is the stuff of fantasy. No matter how well trained, we all lapse into condition white. Too, while I am not anti-gun in the least, I think it is important to recognize that a lot of gun owners would be completely useless in a physical altercation sans weapon. It seems that owning a gun takes away the need to learn how to acquit oneself without, for quite a number

  66. Cameraman says:

    “Double Tap to Stop this Crap” People need to be aware of their Surroundings when in Indian Country! He should have never been alone or unarmed,if your looking around you should not get sucker punched! Carry anywhere You Can. Shoot, scoot, and GTFOD!

  67. TrickleUpPolitics says:

    GTFOD, I like it. I will use it.

  68. Wiley Peyote says:

    Craig: “Perhaps. But no-one, no-one is switched on all the time. That is the stuff of fantasy. No matter how well trained, we all lapse into condition white. Too, while I am not anti-gun in the least, I think it is important to recognize that a lot of gun owners would be completely useless in a physical altercation sans weapon. It seems that owning a gun takes away the need to learn how to acquit oneself without, for quite a number.”

    That number would include the elderly, the disabled, and others unable for whatever reason to ‘acquit themselves’ in hand-to-hand fighting. So, what’s your point?

  69. AC says:

    Perhaps. But no-one, no-one is switched on all the time. That is the stuff of fantasy. No matter how well trained, we all lapse into condition white. Too, while I am not anti-gun in the least, I think it is important to recognize that a lot of gun owners would be completely useless in a physical altercation sans weapon. It seems that owning a gun takes away the need to learn how to acquit oneself without, for quite a number

    We all slip into condition white from time to time, but with age and experience comes the wisdom to ensure we stay in condition yellow in all but the most non-threatening of circumstances.

    You might compare it to driving. We’ve all been distracted behind the wheel at one point or another, however responsible, defensive drivers never voluntarily distract themselves with things such as alcohol, text messaging, food, a cigarette, or something else. Defensive drivers also never let their guard down in heavy traffic, when approaching dangerous intersections, or while performing certain maneuvers such as U-turns. When was the last time you made a U-turn while not watching the road?

    I might lapse into condition white while marinating steaks in my own home, but I’m never going to do it while in a city parking garage at night.

    So what if “gun people” are useless without their gun? That’s why we post advice such as the first rule of gunfighting: bring a gun. If I can’t comfortably carry my G20 then I’ll choose an LCP or a Shield.

    What’s annoying are the karate trolls wrapped up in their ninja fantasies. 10 times out of 10 Homie with a Lorcin in .25 ACP will beat Mr. Kung Fu Black Belt if Homey plays his cards right. The karate trolls who insist guns aren’t the answer can only expect to win if the criminal flinches, makes a tactical mistake, or uses a poorly maintained and malfunctioning firearm.

    I prefer not basing my personal safety on the incompetence of the criminal.

  70. David says:

    Thanks Obama. If this had happened in Texas, most of those Afro-American POS would be in the ground now.

  71. Sinister66 says:

    StanInTexas says:

    “Sinister is the poster that brags constantly about his huge arsenal and his purchases (always buys in pairs). He carry everywhere he goes, but if he were confronted by a knife-carring opponent, he would not draw his gun, but attack him with his fists (“throw down”), JUST BECAUSE HE CAN.”

    Your being dishonest again stan.

    “Sinister, the news is filled with stories of people that cooperated with their attackers, handed over everything and did everything they were asked to do, only to be shot anyway.”

    That may be true but believing if you shoot one or two attackers the rest will run away is just stupid. Which was the point being made. And if you watched ACs video these people are armed alot better then you.

  72. Sinister66 says:

    AC says:

    “What’s annoying are the karate trolls wrapped up in their ninja fantasies.”

    Or the cowboy trolls wrapped up in their gun fightng fantasies.

    Never heard of an MMA fighter getting robbed but plenty of stories of armed people getting killed with their own guns. Both criminals and law abidding folks.

  73. AC says:

    That may be true but believing if you shoot one or two attackers the rest will run away is just stupid. Which was the point being made. And if you watched ACs video these people are armed alot better then you.

    Shooting one or two usually does cause the rest to flee. While these felons may not care about your life or their own (in the long run), they still don’t want to get shot or hang around when shots are fired.

    If a mob is dead set on attacking and killing you, and isn’t up for running, then you’re probably dead anyway, and you might as well shoot and hope for a miracle. Law-abiding citizens aren’t caught up in the activities which lead to packs of armed attackers coming with premeditated murder as their primary goal.

    The people shown in the video had semiautomatic handguns and battle rifles. Many of us have the same. Law-abiding gun owners tend to practice and maintain our weapons, which would qualify us as better prepared. Additionally, these felon gangbangers are buying their ammo at Walmart, and probably aren’t selecting the best defensive loads. Most of the pistol rounds I saw in that video were FMJ.

    These people are predators. Predators tend to attack what they perceive as isolated and vulnerable prey. Just because the whole mob has AKs in their dope house doesn’t mean the whole gang is going to turn into active shooters from 50 yards out. An armed street robbery tends to consist of one or two attackers who flash a pistol at the beginning of the encounter then let their guard down as they begin taking possession of property.

    A law-abiding citizen can equal their firepower and exceed their training and discipline.

    Indeed, most of the shootouts between a permit holder and a thug end up with the thug going away either seriously injured or dead and the permit holder walking away or making a full recovery.

  74. AC says:

    Or the cowboy trolls wrapped up in their gun fightng fantasies.

    Say what? Gun people don’t troll MMA boards.

    Never heard of an MMA fighter getting robbed but plenty of stories of armed people getting killed with their own guns. Both criminals and law abidding folks.

    That’s a bad way of looking at things. Criminals don’t know who is an MMA fighter or a gun owner and who is not prior to engagement.

    There are millions of permit holders, and hundreds of millions of people with guns in the house, but only a handful of MMA fighters or wannabe ninja.

    Let’s try this: you post a link to an MMA/karate guy repelling a felonious attack, and I’ll post ten links to a goblin being shot by his intended victim. The first one to run out of links loses.

    As I said, a teenage thug with a cheapo junk gun is always going to best the ninja unless the thug makes a mistake.

  75. AC says:

    An MMA toughguy will even lose to a thug with a bat if the thug scores a good hit the MMA toughguy fails to avoid, even if the MMA toughguy sees the thug approaching.

    If a gun owner sees a thug with a bat, the thug will lose unless the gun owner can’t bring himself to pull the trigger.

  76. dan says:

    spycraft : phonebooks in door void (stops auto -pistols like Macs) plexaglass on both sides of windows

    consider shootin waist high for crowd control…the screaming unnerves many and knees are too hard to hit on the fly

  77. oldguy says:

    How can liberals be against stand your ground laws and still maintain Trevon was the one being attacked?

  78. Clingtomyguns says:

    Sinister66 says:
    May 15, 2012 at 8:48 am

    “That may be true but believing if you shoot one or two attackers the rest will run away is just stupid. Which was the point being made. And if you watched ACs video these people are armed alot better then you.”

    Sinister66 – You’re either very naive or a simple fool. I can make your head swim with verified stories of mass assualts where victims start firing at jackals like this pack of ferral blacks and they run for their worthless lives. Jackals attack lone animals; this is not a gangland attack between two well armed forces. I also didn’t mean to stop shooting after downing the first two brothers either. By all means, a properly trained CC owner would drop as many as he can on the first assault wave, and not be afraid to discharge his gun and drop their friends running away either.

  79. Sinister66 says:

    Clingtomyguns says:

    “I can make your head swim with verified stories of mass assualts where victims start firing at jackals like this pack of ferral blacks and they run for their worthless lives.”

    Great, post some links.

  80. Sinister66 says:

    AC says:

    “Say what? Gun people don’t troll MMA boards.”

    Dont even know what you are refering to here.

    Im sure if you and Clingtomyguns were ever in a position where you were being attacked by a gaggle of colored thugs you would pull your weapons and be dropping thugs left and right just like in the movies. They would be so scared they wouldnt be able to move making them easy pickens. Im sure there would be some behind the back shots and maybe a ricochet head shot. At best thugs only carry .22s right. No fully automatic rifles, or large cal pistols with high cap mags. But I guess we’ll have to see if you ever are in that kind of situation. Its easy to speculate.

  81. AC says:

    There you go again, getting your ideas from movies.

    Pack attacks involving 3+ goblins all opening fire against a citizen minding his own business are an extreme statistical outlier. They may be common in thug vs. thug drug wars, but that scenario does not apply to us law-abiding citizens.

    Our primary threat on the street is either one or two mopes with knives or guns, or a frenzied mob whose threat comes from superior numbers, knives, bats, rocks, etc. In a store it will be robbers who focus on the cashiers/tellers instead of the patrons.

    The only situations in which a law-abiding citizen is even remotely likely to encounter the larger armed packs you’re referring to is during a home invasion or a riot. In those situations, the law-abiding citizen will have home turf advantage, and if they’re prepared, long arms.

    As was said to another person with fantasies like yours, “If Plan A is to take multiple .338 shots to the back, you really need to come up with a Plan B.”

    The thugs in the video I posted won’t be coming at you in a pack on the street unless you’re a rival dealer. I hope you’re a law-abiding citizen and not a rival dealer.

    One or two of those ignoramuses might come at you with a handgun, but that’s hardly a pack.

    When was the last time you heard of a street robbery involving an AK? Long arms are rare in business robberies, and when used, it’s usually a shotgun.

    Hold up men are desperate for cash. The thugs you saw with the heavy hardware were also showing off huge stacks of $100’s, implying that they’re drug dealers, not stick up artists.

    Notice how even the thugs started to scatter when shots rang out – and those weren’t even shots directed at them.

    These thugs are not toting full autos. There you go again with the fantasy. You’re not going to find full autos in a local street gang. Outlaw bikers or cartel members, maybe, but not thugs from the hood.

  82. StanInTexas says:

    Sinister, we’ve been through this before and you know what you said, Internet Tough Guy.

    And AC made the point for me about attacks from the feral packs. My point about cooperating victims being shot by the criminals is simple for all but you. no matter what, there is a very good chance these animals will kill you anyway. Best to at least try to save yourself and your loved ones.

  83. Sinister66 says:

    StanInTexas says:

    “My point about cooperating victims being shot by the criminals is simple for all but you.”

    Your about as delusional as AC. I never made any reference to “cooperating victims”. My point was, if you start shooting expect to be fired apon.

    AC says:

    “These thugs are not toting full autos. There you go again with the fantasy. You’re not going to find full autos in a local street gang.”

    You have no idea what these people have.

    “When was the last time you heard of a street robbery involving an AK? Long arms are rare in business robberies, and when used, it’s usually a shotgun.”

    Since your a google fan, punch in “robberies involving assault rifles” and see what you get.

  84. AC says:

    You have no idea what these people have.

    “When was the last time you heard of a street robbery involving an AK? Long arms are rare in business robberies, and when used, it’s usually a shotgun.”

    Since your a google fan, punch in “robberies involving assault rifles” and see what you get.

    Actually, I do, because I keep up with crime reports in the news.

    Out of the hundreds of thousands of robberies each year, there are no shortage of robberies committed with assault rifles.

    Statistically, however, one or two robbers with handguns or knives is much more common. I see plenty of these each day. Assault rifles are a rarity.

    Assault rifles are expensive. The typical hold up man is desperate and impulsive and will not shell out the cash to buy an assault rifle, nor is he as likely to be able to steal one during a burglary.

    Robbers prefer concealable weapons because they must plan on making an escape and going to ground, which is substantially harder with long arms.

    The thugs you saw in the video with the assault rifles are drug dealers, not drug addict stick up men.

    Do you also get hung up on deaths from airplane crashes, terrorists, lightning, and sharks, while ignoring all the accidents on roads, house fires, and dog attacks?

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