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Feb 29 2012

Down the Slippery Slope We Slide

What’s the difference between abortion and infanticide? Don’t feel bad if you don’t know the answer. Neither does Alberto Giubilini (Department of Philosophy of the University of Milan and the Centre for Human Bioethics, Monash University) or Francesca Minerva (Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics, University of Melbourne and Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, Oxford University). Here’s the abstract from their recent article “After-Birth Abortion: Why Should the Baby Live?” published in the Journal of Medical Ethics:

Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus’ health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.

Lest you think these people are outside of the academic mainstream, the editor of the journal has this to say in defense of publishing the article:

“The arguments presented, in fact, are largely not new and have been presented repeatedly in the academic literature and public fora by the most eminent philosophers and bioethicists in the world, including Peter Singer, Michael Tooley and John Harris in defence of infanticide, which the authors call after-birth abortion.”

Once we crossed the Rubicon by permitting the deliberate taking of a human life via abortion, we put statist bureaucrats and their pointy-headed ivory tower enablers in charge of determining who is allowed to live and who isn’t. In the long run, having already been born doesn’t make you safe from Roe v Wade, because in the long run, the only thing that keeps anyone safe is moral sanity.

Subject to extermination according to the high priests of liberal “ethics.”

On tips from Dan Feely, J, Kevin S, BackPain, and Ghost of FA Hayek.

30 Responses to “Down the Slippery Slope We Slide”

  1. AC says:

    Heinrich Himmler is very pleased with the direction and speed of this slope.

  2. Marmo says:

    I want to start eating California Condor eggs, because the fact that they’re potential California Condors is irrelevant.

  3. Dr. Theo says:

    I can think of no ethical reservations to considering Alberto Giubilini, Francesca Minerva, et al for after-birth abortions.

  4. KHarn says:

    Pro-choice people have often said that they ARE NOT advocating killing babies.

    I’ll say it once more: it DOESN’T MATTER what the proles want, they are fighting for what THEIR MASTERS want.

  5. Dr. Theo says:

    “I want to start eating California Condor eggs, because the fact that they’re potential California Condors is irrelevant.”
    Excellent point, Marmo.

    Here’s another contradiction of the “ethics” of killing babies.

    “Portland Man Sentenced for Killing Puppy”

  6. RKae says:

    Makes me wonder: Why the decades-long argument about where life actually begins? If they are eventually willing to take what is even by their own standards a life, then why put us through the debate for so long?

    So, for all you “fiscal conservatives,” libertarians and folks on the right who “don’t want to get mired down in social issues” and those who think “the stupid Bible-thumpers are hurting our chances of getting elected”… THIS is what you gave us by trying to ignore the issue and have a “truce” with the pro-abortionists. Thanks a million and thanks again.

  7. RKae says:

    And, hey! If the old bumper sticker “If you don’t like abortions, don’t have one!” works, then I suppose we’ll be told “If you don’t like killing infants, don’t kill one!”

  8. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    Abortion is about power and control, period.
    The power to kill the undesirables.
    Hitler killed Jews and the handicapped
    Stalin killed the Capitalists
    Pol Pot killed, well
    just about everybody.
    It is no coincidence these are all leftists.

  9. Konnie says:

    Bravo, Marmo, excellent observation.

  10. JNN says:

    I think its interesting that some people actually listen to these psychos but there is hope. Every stat I read says that social conservative are outbreeding social liberals. It seems the only population that they have successfully controled is their own.

  11. Marmo says:

    And if we go down this road, isn’t pre-meditated murder just a late post-birth abortion? When does a baby make the transition from being a potential person to an actual person? Who gets to make that call?

    I can’t believe these guys call themselves ethicists.

  12. Marmo says:

    Oh, and thanks, Konnie!

  13. Marmo says:

    Dr. Theo: Apparently, human lives are now ranked below dog lives. Wow, that says a lot about the Left, doesn’t it?

  14. Kevin R. says:

    (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons

    If the premise that the government decides who is and who isn’t an “actual person” worthy of “moral status” becomes legislative precedent then no one’s life is worth a plugged nickel.

  15. Wilberforce says:

    When we asked if abortion would lead to something like this, we were told not to exaggerate and go to extremes.

    Well,…we have arrived. Of course, no true pro-abort would dare condemn this because you-know-why.

  16. MissAnthropy says:

    “If the premise that the government decides who is and who isn’t an “actual person” worthy of “moral status” becomes legislative precedent then no one’s life is worth a plugged nickel.” Kevin R.

    Least of all that of those who enact such legislation and those who would actually perform such things. Such persons would be signing their own death warrants, declaring themselves legitimate targets for vigilante justice.

  17. AC says:

    Thanks to Helicopter Ben, a nickel is no longer worth a plugged nickel, either.

  18. oldguy says:

    I imagine there were many people who knew they should have fled Soddom and Gomora, but were too lazy or uninformed to do so. We are the damned.

  19. Stephan the Original says:

    RKae & Marmo: (stand up clapping)

    +1 btw……

  20. Hail The Amberlamps! says:

    These ghouls want to kill PEOPLE, innocent, defenseless PEOPLE. They’re genocidal maniacs.

  21. Bob Roberts says:

    I want to very carefully preface the following with a clear and unambiguous statement that I have nothing whatsoever against Jews. In fact, the reason I know this is because I recently had a Jewish girlfriend. Unfortunately (once I found out what an Obama supporter she was) it was doomed to fail.

    That and the fact she told me she was rabidly pro-abortion based in part on the fact that, according to her, anyway, Jews don’t believe a human child is a “person” with the usual rights for some time after birth. Forget exactly how long she said and maybe she was just interpreting things in a way that made her feel better about her support for murder in the form of abortion, but she did actually say that, according to the Jewish faith or whatnot, a child still isn’t “human” until some time AFTER birth, so apparently, if she’s correct, in at least some Jewish sects, infanticide is OK up to a point.

    If any Jewish contributors can clear this up, because I found it hard to believe and she never did provide the underlying proof I requested, please do!

  22. Bob Roberts says:

    OK so if a fetus is NOT a person, then why is it that when a pregnant woman is murdered the perp gets TWO murder charges? And since that is true, why is it when a doctor partially delivers that same HUMAN CHILD then bashes in it’s sKull and purees it’s brain, that we don’t call THAT murder too?

  23. Bob Roberts says:

    (NOTE – I’m putting these in distinct posts so people can respond to each of them in turn by reference and there won’t be confusion about which topic is the point of the response.)

    Finally, “compassionate” moonbats are against the lawful execution of properly tried and convicted multiple murderers but they’re OK with murdering defenseless babies who’ve done nothing and never got a trial or a conviction?


  24. Well to be fair, this is entirely logical. Once humans in an early stage of development are accorded the status of “potential humans” rather than “human”, where you draw the line becomes entirely arbitrary. I just don’t know why they stop at babies. I mean, I can remember when I was 10 years old, and I was certainly less developed in some respects than I was 10 years later. I was still surely a potential then, wasn’t I?

    The author Philip K Dick wrote a story in response to Roe vs. Wade called “The Pre-Persons”; which hit back with knife sharp satire. In it, a human being is defined as somebody who has reached the stage of learning algebra; before that they can be aborted. He received a great deal of hate from the infanticidalists for it, but was unrepentant. He said-

    “I stand where I stand: “Hier steh Ich; Ich kann nicht anders,” [“Here I stand, I can do no other”] as Martin Luther is supposed to have said.”

    I think even Dick would be surprised that we’re on the verge of his story moving from satire to reality.

  25. johnnosk says:

    I object to the term ‘After birth’ Abortion… It make it sound like the mother is getting rid of the Placenta instead of a live newborn

  26. Ghost of FA Hayek says:

    Bob and Ian
    The “when a fetus becomes life” debate was never the left’s to begin with
    It is, and always has been about the wanted versus the unwanted.
    Margaret Sanger, the “mother” of Planned Parenthood devoted her life to picking out these unwanted’s

    The “life” argument was adopted temporarily by the left, but was more or less given to them by those people (mostly Christians) who just could not, and still cannot fathom their real agenda, the depth of their blood thirst.
    When Stalin ordered the Ukrainian genocide, did he consider himself a murderer ?
    Of course not. He was merely “purging” society of those who simply had tasted the liberty of property ownership.

    He knew that taking it away and folding those people in would have been enough to upset the utopia.
    Even the useful idiots are eventually crushed
    Bob, I believe your girlfriend was simply trying to assign Paganism to Jews and Christians
    Cicero defended infanticide by referring to the Twelve Tables. Plato and Aristotle recommended infanticide as legitimate state policy. Cornelius Tacitus went so far as to condemn the Jews for their opposition to infanticide. He stated that the Jewish view that “it was a deadly sin to kill an unwanted child” was just another of the many “sinister and revolting practices” of the Jews. Histories 5.5.
    In her discerning book, The God of the Machine, Isabel Paterson draws important distinctions between Christian kindliness directed toward the relief of distress, and the misguided efforts of those who would make it a vehicle for self-aggrandizement.

    She points out that most of the major ills of the world have been caused by well-meaning people who ignored the principle of individual freedom, except as applied to themselves, and who were obsessed with fanatical zeal to improve the lot of mankind-in-the-mass through some pet formula of their own. “It is at this point,” she says, “that the humanitarian sets up the guillotine.”[1]

    In this case the Guillotine is the abortion clinic

  27. Jodie says:

    What is that in the picture? It looks like just a glob of cells. Oh well, maybe it will evolve into something eventually./sarc

  28. Jodie says:

    I’m sorry, just kidding. What a precious baby!

  29. Son of Taz says:

    Note that the baby in the image is Caucasian, but the reality is that more than 50% of all black babies are the victims of the abortion genocide.

    The racism of the early years of the US will look like a Saturday afternoon party when compared to the slaughter of blacks in the womb. When will our brothers wake up and realize the liberals are trying to exterminate them?

  30. metalgarth says:

    Every single day I thank my son’s biological mother for not aborting him. She’s 24, poor, black, lives in a bad neighborhood, has 3 other kids she can’t afford, and legal problems. Despite all of the poor choices she made, she made the right one by letting her son be born and choosing my wife and I to raise him.

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